<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Richard J Letts <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rjletts@uw.edu" target="_blank">rjletts@uw.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">My point of view<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I am not sure why educational institutions are not able to pay the fees for other categories of usage, or why they need an exception.
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<p class="gmail-m_7538194357769726633MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">ARIN staff would need to decide if the application satisfies this: “a volunteer group, not-for-profit, non-profit, or charitable organization”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_7538194357769726633MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I’ve been involved with enough community groups to know that two of these have weak governance structures that fail when there are conflicts (a volunteer
group and being a non-core aspect of a charitable organization), inevitably leading to the collapse of the organization. I’m not going to prejudge that debate here, but consider striking them. If the community organization doesn’t have 501(c)3 status in the
US they are leaving out the opportunity to save money and get grants.</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_7538194357769726633MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Without a legal entity ‘owning’ the space how would ARIN know they were dealing with, who is legally allowed to dispose of the space, etc.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div>Does it matter if they are non-profit? I believe that was originally included with the hopes that the board to offer a discount. The board has hasn't provided a discount, I doubt they ever will. The board did provided the 3X-small fee category, which by policy is not available to ISPs. What if community networks are allowed to be a 3X-small ISPs, the basic idea behind ARIN-2016-7. Having community networks be 3X-Small ISPs seems to be more aligned with what they are doing, it allows them to SWIP, where if they are an end-user they can not.</div><div><br></div><div>So, again, does it matter if they are non-profit? How a bout we focus on what they are and what do, rather than how they are incorporated or registered. </div><div><br></div><div>ISOC says;</div><div><br></div><div>"Community networks, communications infrastructure deployed and operated by citizens to meet their own communication needs, are being increasingly proposed as a solution to connect the unconnected." </div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/issues/community-networks/">https://www.internetsociety.org/issues/community-networks/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Citizen isn't the right word for here, but how about users? So how about something like this. </div><div><br></div><div>"A community network is a network deployed, operated and governed by it's users, with a purpose of providing free or low-cost connectivity within to its user's and the community in which they reside?"</div><div><br></div><div>By going to 3X-small ISP, if a community network is or gets big they pay the same as any other ISP of their size, if they are truly small they have access to the 3X-small ISP fee category. And, ARIN staff doesn't have to poke its nose into the financial status of an organization, for-profit or non-profit. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_7538194357769726633WordSection1">
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Who cares if they provide ‘other Information Technology services’ to their community; we’re talking about internet access here</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div> If in addition to "connectivity" they also provide email or web hosting is that OK?<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Thanks.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><br></span></div></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature">===============================================<br>David Farmer <a href="mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">Email:farmer@umn.edu</a><br>Networking & Telecommunication Services<br>Office of Information Technology<br>University of Minnesota <br>2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815<br>Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952<br>=============================================== </div>
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