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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#993366">Thanks for the feedback, everybody.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#993366">I've captured these thoughts into the slide deck that I'll be presenting during the meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#993366">Definitely looking forward to the lively discussion next week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#993366"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> ARIN-PPML [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Winters<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 29, 2017 8:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Owen DeLong; Jason Schiller<br>
<b>Cc:</b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Improved IPv6 Registration Requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Shall is not minor. Ask ARIN legal counsel if there is a big or small difference between should and shall.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Additionally, if you are going to say shall, what happens if there is non-compliance?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You should define the consequences if you want to say shall.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> ARIN-PPML [<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Owen DeLong<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 29, 2017 10:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jason Schiller <<a href="mailto:jschiller@google.com">jschiller@google.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Improved IPv6 Registration Requirements</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">I am actually comfortable with an implementation that is short of revocation, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">but I am still not comfortable with "should". </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">Should makes it optional. Officially not being out of compliance with</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">I suggest that an ISP refusing to register a downstream customer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">is out of compliance with ARIN policy, and not just choosing to ignore </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">an optional recommendation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">If it is only "should" then an ISP can still hold the moral high ground</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">while refusing to support SWIP on the grounds that they will not</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">implement tooling and commit resources when it is only optional.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">It is a question of if you can hold someone accountable for not</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">complying or if they are free to ignore something that is optional.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">Certainly if there is enough support to move this forward, we shouldn't</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Other than AC sophistry or community confusion, there’s absolutely no reason, IMHO,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">that we can’t get community support and consensus around shall as a minor change<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">prior to last call, so I don’t think it actually weakens the argument.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">I agree that if we have enough of either of the above that it won’t move forward<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">with shall until another cycle, it’s not worth waiting another cycle and we should<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">push through an additional separate policy for this single-word correction, so I<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">suppose to that extent, it could be seen as weakening the argument for doing it now.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">the policy with "shall" and also if there is clear support to move the policy forward</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">with "should" in this cycle. This will give the AC a maximum of leverage to do </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">100% Agreed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">Assuming there is support for both "shall" and "should" the AC could </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Excellent idea, IMHO.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">1. Do you support the policy with "shall" if it doesn't require an extra cycle</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif""> and support "should" in this cycle if "shall" cannot advance?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">3. Do you oppose both the policy as written and with "shall"?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">When considering if there is enough support to move the policy as </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">written forward, the AC should consider the hands in both questions 1 & 2.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">I </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif"">support the policy with "shall" with a fall back to "should".</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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in the future. Personally, I'm not ready to threaten revocation, in this case. My intent in suggesting what is now 6.5.5.4 was to crate an avenue for ARIN Staff to intervene with ISPs on behalf of customers, if a customer wanted their assignment registered
and their ISP refused to register their assignment as requested, the customer can appeal the issue to ARIN. I'm fine with that intervention being short of threatening revocation, at least until their proves to be a serious issue with ISP's refusing valid
requests by endusers to register assignments. I think the current language provides the proper balance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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if this develops into a chronic matter for an ISP, I would expect ARIN Staff to escalate the issue beyond simply asking for an explanation. Further after escalation, if the matter continues to be chronic, I would expect eventually the community to be altered
to the situation. Probably not the specifics of which ISP and customers, but at least that there is an issue and some sense of the situation involved. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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change in reserve, so we can go there, if there proves to be serious issues with non-compliance in the future. Put another way, I think voluntary compliance is highly preferred for this issue, and if voluntary compliance proves insufficient, then we can deal
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<a name="m_2086653384843287505_m_-386888615061452"><span lang="EN-CA">I support the policy as written.</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">If the stick isn’t big enough it appears a simple policy change could be used, not just for this section but all the other areas “should” is used.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">In reading John’s explanation, I can’t see “should” and “shall” being considered an editorial change. To extend the policy cycle to another meeting would be far worse.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Out of curiosity, how often has ARIN had to deal with SWIP issues like this, where the other party ignored you?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>ARIN-PPML [mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>John
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 27, 2017 5:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Jason Schiller <<a href="mailto:jschiller@google.com" target="_blank">jschiller@google.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Improved IPv6 Registration Requirements<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">On 26 Sep 2017, at 3:18 PM, Jason Schiller <<a href="mailto:jschiller@google.com" target="_blank">jschiller@google.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Service providers who blatantly ignore such a provision on an ongoing basis will be <br>
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