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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Chris,<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I have had a difference of opinion in the past, with members of the community, with what constitutes an editorial change. I have always erred on the side
of caution.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">While I’m indifferent to the options, I am strongly in support of this policy moving forward.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If there is a chance that the change will be questioned during last call, and prevent the policy from moving forward, I’m opposed to any alteration.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I believe that staff have shown significant implementation differences between the two words.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Some assistance from the Advisory Council and/or Staff to the community as what would constitute an editorial change would probably be helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Kevin Blumberg<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Chris Woodfield [mailto:chris@semihuman.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>; arin-ppml@arin.net<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kevin Blumberg <kevinb@thewire.ca><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Improved IPv6 Registration Requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Owen’s assessment. If there is sufficient community support for changing the phrase to “shall” at the PPM - I’d define “sufficient community support” as a show of hands on that specific word choice, in addition to the discussion
here - I see no need to require another public consultation in order to go to last call incorporating that change in terms.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m personally in favor of “shall", although I still support as written. Perfect as enemy of good, etc etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 28, 2017, at 9:03 AM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While I wouldn’t consider it an editorial change, I would consider it a minor change, which, if it had good community discussion and support at the meeting, would, IMHO, be within the scope of pre-last-call changes that could be made between
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<p class="MsoNormal">The AC has, as has been mentioned before, significant discretion in determining what is a “minor change”.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is strictly my own opinion and may or may not be shared by other AC members, staff, or anyone else.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Owen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 28, 2017, at 10:46 AM, Kevin Blumberg <<a href="mailto:kevinb@thewire.ca">kevinb@thewire.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the stick isn’t big enough it appears a simple policy change could be used, not just for this section but all the other areas “should” is used.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would like to point out that “should” is currently used 30 times in the NRPM.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In reading John’s explanation, I can’t see “should” and “shall” being considered an editorial change. To extend the policy cycle to another meeting would be far worse.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Out of curiosity, how often has ARIN had to deal with SWIP issues like this, where the other party ignored you?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US">ARIN-PPML [<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>John Curran<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 27, 2017 5:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Jason Schiller <<a href="mailto:jschiller@google.com">jschiller@google.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Improved IPv6 Registration Requirements</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 26 Sep 2017, at 3:18 PM, Jason Schiller <<a href="mailto:jschiller@google.com"><span style="color:purple">jschiller@google.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> but routinely fails to publish registration information (for /47 or larger reassignments) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> us to discuss with the ISP the need to publish this information in a timely manner. <o:p></o:p></p>
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Service providers who blatantly ignore such a provision on an ongoing basis will be <br>
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ARIN number resource policy, including the consequences (i.e. potential revocation <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> of the IPv6 number resources.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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