<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:20 PM Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">I’d like to point out that I just learned of a community network that claims they did take advantage<div>of the existing policy recently, so there is apparently at least one use of the present policy.</div><div><br></div><div>I support this draft as an improvement to the existing policy, but I believe the argument that the</div><div>community networks policy is never used no longer applies.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+1</div><div>As wireless becomes more prevalent in communities and small towns there may be an increase in the number of community networks who wish to use this part of the policy.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div>Owen</div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sep 19, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Chris Woodfield <<a href="mailto:chris@semihuman.com" target="_blank">chris@semihuman.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_3974156010518939005Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>I support this, with the comment that the phrase “volunteers play a large role” will be open to interpretation. Is this intentional? I’m fine if that is the case, but if not, I’d advocate for a more precise definition.</div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div>I also support this policy with the stipulation Chris makes here. It needs to be open to interpretation or flexible enough to allow for communities to request the needed resources without too much hassle while meeting the desirable documentation of resources needs of the ARIN community.</div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Brian</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>-C</div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Andrew Dul <<a href="mailto:andrew.dul@quark.net" target="_blank">andrew.dul@quark.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_3974156010518939005Apple-interchange-newline"><div><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Hello all,</span><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">We will be discussing this draft proposal at the upcoming ARIN meeting</span><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">in San Jose.  If you have comments on the updated draft posted below,</span><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">we'd certainly like to hear from you so we can help shape the</span><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">conversation in person.<span class="m_3974156010518939005Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">We have seen some support for this updated draft, but not a lot.<span class="m_3974156010518939005Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Furthermore, have we addressed all of your concerns which you might have</span><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">noted earlier on the 1st version of the policy text.</span><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Thanks,</span><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Andrew</span><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">On 8/24/2017 8:22 AM, ARIN wrote:</span><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br><br>Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the Definition of Community Network<br><br>Problem Statement:<br><br>The Community Networks section of the NRPM has not been used since<br>implementation in January 2010. Proposal ARIN-2016-7, to increase the<br>number of use cases, was abandoned by the Advisory Council due to lack<br>of feedback. Proposal ARIN 2017-2, to remove all mention of community<br>networks from NRPM was met with opposition by the community. Many<br>responded that the definition of “community network” was too narrow,<br>which could be the reason for lack of uptake.<br><br>Policy statement:<br><br>CURRENT NRPM TEXT:<br><br>“2.11. Community Network<br><br>A community network is any network organized and operated by a<br>volunteer group operating as or under the fiscal support of a<br>nonprofit organization or university for the purpose of providing free<br>or low-cost connectivity to the residents of their local service area.<br>To be treated as a community network under ARIN policy, the applicant<br>must certify to ARIN that the community network staff is 100%<br>volunteers.”<br><br>NEW NRPM TEXT:<br><br>“2.11 Community Network<br><br>A community network is a network organized and operated by a volunteer<br>group, not-for-profit, non-profit, charitable organization, or<br>educational institution for the purpose of providing free or low-cost<br>connectivity, or other Information Technology services to persons or<br>entities within their community. Critical functions may be handled by<br>paid staff, but volunteers play a large role in offering services<br>available through community networks.”<br><br>Comments:<br><br>Timetable for implementation: Immediate<br>_<br></blockquote><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">PPML</span><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to</span><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (</span><a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">).</span><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:</span><br style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:nor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