<p dir="ltr">I oppose the proposed policy. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Quoting Chris Woodfield (?)</p>
<p dir="ltr">where Afrinic and Lacnic wind up transferring enough space to push their totals over the average but are still permitted to transfer space. if that were to happen, it would require a subsequent policy change to keep that imbalance from growing worse. end quote</p>
<p dir="ltr">In addition, I am not convinced that it should be ARIN's role to correct perceived global RIR framework inbalances?</p>
<p dir="ltr">We currently have a working policy strategy in this area, and I think we should stick with it for now.<br>
rd</p>
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:21:01 +0000<br>
From: Michael Winters <<a href="mailto:mwinters@edwardrose.com">mwinters@edwardrose.com</a>><br>
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I am opposed to this policy.<br>
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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers<br>
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This policy proposal seems, to me, as an attempt to correct a historical imbalance in the distribution of IPv4 resources to various RIRs, since the vast majority of legacy space - which, to my eyes, it seems that much of the transfer supply is originating from - is in the ARIN region.<br>
<br>
Given that, this policy only makes sense up to the point that such imbalance still exists. If we simply named the target RIRs, we could result in a (arguably theoretical) situation where Afrinic and Lacnic wind up transferring enough space to push their totals over the average but are still permitted to transfer space. if that were to happen, it would require a subsequent policy change to keep that imbalance from growing worse.<br>
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As such, I support as written and would argue against an approach that targets specific RIRs by name.<br>
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On Sep 6, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Cj Aronson <<a href="mailto:cja@daydream.com">cja@daydream.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cja@daydream.com">cja@<wbr>daydream.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Okay so this formula.. does it just give us Afrinic and Lacnic right? So why don't we just say that? Since there are only 5 RIRs it seems that maybe a formula isn't needed?<br>
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On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 12:35 PM, ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@<wbr>arin.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
The following has been revised:<br>
<br>
* Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers<br>
<br>
Revised text is below and can be found at:<br>
<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_4.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/<wbr>proposals/2017_4.html</a><br>
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You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:<br>
<br>
* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration<br>
* Technically Sound<br>
* Supported by the Community<br>
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<br>
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<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers<br>
<br>
Version Date: 6 September 2017<br>
<br>
Problem Statement:<br>
<br>
AFRINIC and LACNIC are currently considering one-way inter-RIR transfer proposals. Those RIR communities feel a one-way policy a policy that allows network operators in their regions to obtain space from another region and transfer it into AFRINIC and LACNIC may best meet the needs of the operators in that region.<br>
<br>
ARIN staff, in reply to an inquiry from AFRINIC, have formally indicated that ARINs 8.4 policy language will not allow ARIN to participate in such one-way transfers. The staff formally indicate to AFRINIC that the word reciprocal in 8.4 prohibits ARIN from allowing ARIN-registered space to transfer directly to AFRINIC (in this context).<br>
<br>
ARIN as a community should recognize that other RIR operator communities have different needs than we do. We should recognize that:<br>
<br>
- network operators in AFRINIC in LACNIC have need to obtain space in the market;<br>
<br>
- have reasons they think are important to not allow two-way transfers; and<br>
<br>
- we should understand that the history of the RIR system has led to LACNIC and AFRINIC having multiple orders of magnitude less IPv4 address space than ARIN does.<br>
<br>
Policy statement:<br>
<br>
Add the following sentence after the first sentence of NRPM 8.4:<br>
<br>
Inter-RIR transfers may take place to an RIR with a non-reciprocal inter-RIR transfer policy only when the recipient RIR has an IPv4 total inventory less than the average (mean) of the IPv4 total inventory among all of the RIRs.<br>
<br>
Timetable for implementation: Upon the ratification of any inter-RIR transfer policy at another RIR that is one-way as described in the problem statement.<br>
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Are there active polices in the other regions that rely on this policy? I understand there have been discussions, however I don't know what the status is/was.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
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Kevin Blumberg<br>
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Subject: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers<br>
<br>
The following has been revised:<br>
<br>
* Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers<br>
<br>
Revised text is below and can be found at:<br>
<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_4.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/<wbr>proposals/2017_4.html</a><br>
<br>
You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:<br>
<br>
* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration<br>
* Technically Sound<br>
* Supported by the Community<br>
<br>
The PDP can be found at:<br>
<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/<wbr>pdp.html</a><br>
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Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:<br>
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<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Sean Hopkins<br>
Policy Analyst<br>
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers<br>
<br>
Version Date: 6 September 2017<br>
<br>
Problem Statement:<br>
<br>
AFRINIC and LACNIC are currently considering one-way inter-RIR transfer proposals. Those RIR communities feel a one-way policy a policy that allows network operators in their regions to obtain space from another region and transfer it into AFRINIC and LACNIC may best meet the needs of the operators in that region.<br>
<br>
ARIN staff, in reply to an inquiry from AFRINIC, have formally indicated that ARINs 8.4 policy language will not allow ARIN to participate in such one-way transfers. The staff formally indicate to AFRINIC that the word reciprocal in 8.4 prohibits ARIN from allowing ARIN-registered space to transfer directly to AFRINIC (in this context).<br>
<br>
ARIN as a community should recognize that other RIR operator communities have different needs than we do. We should recognize that:<br>
<br>
- network operators in AFRINIC in LACNIC have need to obtain space in the market;<br>
<br>
- have reasons they think are important to not allow two-way transfers; and<br>
<br>
- we should understand that the history of the RIR system has led to LACNIC and AFRINIC having multiple orders of magnitude less IPv4 address space than ARIN does.<br>
<br>
Policy statement:<br>
<br>
Add the following sentence after the first sentence of NRPM 8.4:<br>
<br>
Inter-RIR transfers may take place to an RIR with a non-reciprocal inter-RIR transfer policy only when the recipient RIR has an IPv4 total inventory less than the average (mean) of the IPv4 total inventory among all of the RIRs.<br>
<br>
Timetable for implementation: Upon the ratification of any inter-RIR transfer policy at another RIR that is one-way as described in the problem statement.<br>
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From: "Mike Burns" <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com">mike@iptrading.com</a>><br>
To: "'Kevin Blumberg'" <<a href="mailto:kevinb@thewire.ca">kevinb@thewire.ca</a>>, <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity<br>
Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers<br>
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Hi Kevin,<br>
<br>
LACNIC will be presented with a one-way policy proposal in Montevideo in a<br>
few weeks. It has failed to reach consensus twice but was returned to the<br>
list, so it will be voted on again.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://politicas.lacnic.net/politicas/detail/id/LAC-2017-2" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://politicas.lacnic.net/<wbr>politicas/detail/id/LAC-2017-2</a><br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Mike<br>
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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity<br>
Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers<br>
<br>
Are there active polices in the other regions that rely on this policy? I<br>
understand there have been discussions, however I don't know what the status<br>
is/was.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Kevin Blumberg<br>
<br>
<br>
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Subject: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement<br>
for Inter-RIR Transfers<br>
<br>
The following has been revised:<br>
<br>
* Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR<br>
Transfers<br>
<br>
Revised text is below and can be found at:<br>
<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_4.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/<wbr>proposals/2017_4.html</a><br>
<br>
You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will<br>
evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft<br>
policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated<br>
in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:<br>
<br>
* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration<br>
* Technically Sound<br>
* Supported by the Community<br>
<br>
The PDP can be found at:<br>
<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/<wbr>pdp.html</a><br>
<br>
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<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Sean Hopkins<br>
Policy Analyst<br>
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR<br>
Transfers<br>
<br>
Version Date: 6 September 2017<br>
<br>
Problem Statement:<br>
<br>
AFRINIC and LACNIC are currently considering one-way inter-RIR transfer<br>
proposals. Those RIR communities feel a one-way policy a policy that allows<br>
network operators in their regions to obtain space from another region and<br>
transfer it into AFRINIC and LACNIC may best meet the needs of the operators<br>
in that region.<br>
<br>
ARIN staff, in reply to an inquiry from AFRINIC, have formally indicated<br>
that ARINs 8.4 policy language will not allow ARIN to participate in such<br>
one-way transfers. The staff formally indicate to AFRINIC that the word<br>
reciprocal in 8.4 prohibits ARIN from allowing ARIN-registered space to<br>
transfer directly to AFRINIC (in this context).<br>
<br>
ARIN as a community should recognize that other RIR operator communities<br>
have different needs than we do. We should recognize that:<br>
<br>
- network operators in AFRINIC in LACNIC have need to obtain space in the<br>
market;<br>
<br>
- have reasons they think are important to not allow two-way transfers; and<br>
<br>
- we should understand that the history of the RIR system has led to LACNIC<br>
and AFRINIC having multiple orders of magnitude less IPv4 address space than<br>
ARIN does.<br>
<br>
Policy statement:<br>
<br>
Add the following sentence after the first sentence of NRPM 8.4:<br>
<br>
Inter-RIR transfers may take place to an RIR with a non-reciprocal inter-RIR<br>
transfer policy only when the recipient RIR has an IPv4 total inventory less<br>
than the average (mean) of the IPv4 total inventory among all of the RIRs.<br>
<br>
Timetable for implementation: Upon the ratification of any inter-RIR<br>
transfer policy at another RIR that is one-way as described in the problem<br>
statement.<br>
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