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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Ah! Thank you David!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I though it meant available inventory.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I am okay with the sentence in that case and I understand why it was placed there.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I support the policy as written.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> David Farmer [mailto:farmer@umn.edu] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mike Burns <mike@iptrading.com><br><b>Cc:</b> ARIN <info@arin.net>; arin-ppml@arin.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" target="_blank">mike@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><br>Hi,<br><br>Can we get a definition of "IPv4 total inventory"?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Is all IPv4 address space held by the RIR in any pools and that which has been allocated or assigned, legacy or otherwise.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think you are thinking of RIR free pools or available inventory, not total inventory.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Look at the NRO slides;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/NRO_Q2_2017.pdf">https://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/NRO_Q2_2017.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Slide #5 comes close, but I think it is missing legacy resources, so ARIN has even more than is shown there. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The point here is that LACNIC and AFRINIC have way less total inventory and one could argue they don't have a fair share of the global IPv4 resource pool. Therefore requiring them to have a reciprocal transfer policies is some what insensitive to how the IPv4 resources are currently divided on a global level. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>More than 10 /8s would have to be transferred to LACNIC and AFRINIC each before the had any where near the average total IPv4 inventory of all the RIRs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Do reserves of all flavors count?<br>Does ARIN staff whip out the calculators on the day the transfer request is<br>received?<br>Will they hold transfers in abeyance until the ratios work out, then quickly<br>process them?<br>Does this provide an incentive for LACNIC and AFRINIC to rid themselves of<br>IPv4 reserves?<br>Are all RIR inventories updated daily?<br><br>The average could change throughout the day unless the RIRs publish at the<br>same time. Imagine the situation of a buyer in AFRINIC, biting his nails to<br>see whether a change in APNIC or RIPE will allow his transfer to go through<br>today.<br><br>I support the policy but it would be far better to lose that additional<br>sentence. Just drop the world reciprocal and if problems arise they can be<br>dealt with later.<br><br>Regards,<br>Mike Burns<br><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>===============================================<br>David Farmer <a href="mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">Email:farmer@umn.edu</a><br>Networking & Telecommunication Services<br>Office of Information Technology<br>University of Minnesota <br>2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815<br>Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952<br>=============================================== <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>