<p dir="ltr">Support changing the definition of community networks.</p>
<p dir="ltr">'The community network's focus should be providing connectivity<br>
rather than achieving a profit'<br>
Jos?</p>
<p dir="ltr">I am still absorbing the isoc language, but 'profit' is not the correct terminology for a not- profit....maybe 'excess' ??</p>
<p dir="ltr">RD<br>
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From: Carlton Samuels <<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>><br>
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On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:22 AM, ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> The following has been revised:<br>
><br>
> * Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the Definition of Community Network<br>
><br>
> Revised text is below and can be found at:<br>
> <a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_8.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/<wbr>proposals/2017_8.html</a><br>
><br>
> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will<br>
> evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft<br>
> policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated<br>
> in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:<br>
><br>
> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration<br>
> * Technically Sound<br>
> * Supported by the Community<br>
><br>
> The PDP can be found at:<br>
> <a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/<wbr>pdp.html</a><br>
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> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:<br>
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><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
> Sean Hopkins<br>
> Policy Analyst<br>
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the Definition of Community Network<br>
><br>
> Problem Statement:<br>
><br>
> The Community Networks section of the NRPM has not been used since<br>
> implementation in January 2010. Proposal ARIN-2016-7, to increase the<br>
> number of use cases, was abandoned by the Advisory Council due to lack of<br>
> feedback. Proposal ARIN 2017-2, to remove all mention of community networks<br>
> from NRPM was met with opposition by the community. Many responded that the<br>
> definition of ?community network? was too narrow, which could be the reason<br>
> for lack of uptake.<br>
><br>
> Policy statement:<br>
><br>
> CURRENT NRPM TEXT:<br>
><br>
> ?2.11. Community Network<br>
><br>
> A community network is any network organized and operated by a volunteer<br>
> group operating as or under the fiscal support of a nonprofit organization<br>
> or university for the purpose of providing free or low-cost connectivity to<br>
> the residents of their local service area. To be treated as a community<br>
> network under ARIN policy, the applicant must certify to ARIN that the<br>
> community network staff is 100% volunteers.?<br>
><br>
> NEW NRPM TEXT:<br>
><br>
> ?2.11 Community Network<br>
><br>
> A community network is a network organized and operated by a volunteer<br>
> group, not-for-profit, non-profit, charitable organization, or educational<br>
> institution for the purpose of providing free or low-cost connectivity, or<br>
> other Information Technology services to persons or entities within their<br>
> community. Critical functions may be handled by paid staff, but volunteers<br>
> play a large role in offering services available through community<br>
> networks.?<br>
><br>
> Comments:<br>
><br>
> Timetable for implementation: Immediate<br>
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From: "Jose R. de la Cruz III" <<a href="mailto:jrdelacruz@acm.org">jrdelacruz@acm.org</a>><br>
To: David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu">farmer@umn.edu</a>><br>
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Amend the definition of Community Network<br>
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David:<br>
<br>
ISOC proposes that "*Community networks, communications infrastructure<br>
deployed and operated by citizens to meet their own communication needs*" (<br>
<a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/community-networks" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.<wbr>org/what-we-do/community-<wbr>networks</a>).<br>
<br>
The problem is *if* ARIN should support this connectivity initiative, and<br>
*how*. The community network's focus should be providing connectivity<br>
rather than achieving a profit. The definition is the problem, as<br>
identifying a "proper" community network will allow to work on a real<br>
solution.<br>
<br>
Jos? R. de la Cruz<br>
<a href="mailto:jrdelacruz@acm.org">jrdelacruz@acm.org</a><br>
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On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 9:42 AM, David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu">farmer@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Ok, then I need to hear from others in the community on the subject<br>
> expanding the scope of the problem statement for this Draft Policy beyond<br>
> the just the Definition of Community Networks at this point;<br>
><br>
> Should we revise the problem statement beyond it's current scope?<br>
><br>
> If yes, then what should the revised problem statement include?<br>
><br>
> Thanks<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Kevin Blumberg <<a href="mailto:kevinb@thewire.ca">kevinb@thewire.ca</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> David,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I see that the revised text addresses some of the definition issues.<br>
>> Regarding your question I believe that the definition and section 6.5.9 are<br>
>> intrinsically tied together.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Currently the only active part of Community Networks is the state that it<br>
>> will be considered an end-user regarding ?all ARIN purposes?. I have an<br>
>> issue if this is used by Organizations to act as a way of opting-out of<br>
>> SWIP requirements. With a substantially expanded definition the number of<br>
>> Organizations that could use the policy is significant.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Another interesting problem comes from the new Registration Services Plan<br>
>> (<a href="https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/fees/<wbr>fee_schedule.html</a>)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ?Organizations that choose to convert to the Registration Services Plan<br>
>> will be evaluated as an ISP from a policy perspective when requesting<br>
>> future Internet number resources from ARIN. The applicable annual<br>
>> registration services plan will be invoiced annually based on the<br>
>> organization resources in the ARIN registry.?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Kevin Blumberg<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> *From:* David Farmer [mailto:<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu">farmer@umn.edu</a>]<br>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2017 3:05 PM<br>
>> *To:* Kevin Blumberg <<a href="mailto:kevinb@thewire.ca">kevinb@thewire.ca</a>><br>
>> *Cc:* <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
>> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the<br>
>> definition of Community Network<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Kevin,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> There was a little confusion, mostly on my part it seems. Cutting to the<br>
>> chase; An older version of the text got sent out with the announcement of<br>
>> this policy. An updated version of text got sent out earlier today, it<br>
>> addresses some but for sure not all of your points.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> As for several of the broader points you bring up, I'd like to work on<br>
>> updating the definition for Community Networks first, mostly because that<br>
>> is the scope of the problem statement focuses on. Once we develop some<br>
>> consensus around a new definition for Community Networks, then I think we<br>
>> could build on that and look at some of the broader issues you bring up.<br>
>> Would that plan work for you?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Kevin Blumberg <<a href="mailto:kevinb@thewire.ca">kevinb@thewire.ca</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I do not support the policy as written but do support the overall intent.<br>
>><br>
>> 1) The definition of a community network has gone from overly specific to<br>
>> overly broad. An example in Canada there are over 160,000 non-profit and<br>
>> not-for-profit organizations.<br>
>> 2) A volunteer group, that is not an organization, wouldn't be able to<br>
>> get space from ARIN as it requires a business registration (ARIN Staff<br>
>> please confirm).<br>
>> 3) Why is there a limit to only post-secondary institutions? Many rural<br>
>> locations have K-12 that would not qualify.<br>
>> 4) In Canada, a charity is a non-profit organization, more generic terms<br>
>> should be used that covers the entire ARIN serving region.<br>
>> 5) The current Community Networks policy conflicts with the intent of<br>
>> 2017-5 Improved IPv6 Registration Requirements. By placing all space into<br>
>> End User assignment, Community Networks operating as a ISP collective for<br>
>> residential subscribers would be unable to reassign static assignments.<br>
>><br>
>> The current Community Networks policy requires an applicant to qualify<br>
>> under standard end-user requirements (Section 6.5.9.2). If there is no<br>
>> difference to the qualification criteria, why would an organization go out<br>
>> of the way to qualify as a Community Network?<br>
>><br>
>> I wrote a policy in 2016 that tried to address some of these issues, it<br>
>> was abandoned at the time ( <a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pr" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/pr</a><br>
>> oposals/2016_7.html )<br>
>><br>
>> Kevin Blumberg<br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@<wbr>arin.net</a>] On Behalf Of ARIN<br>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:40 PM<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
>> Subject: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the definition of<br>
>> Community Network<br>
>><br>
>> On 17 August 2017 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) advanced<br>
>> "ARIN-prop-243: Amend the Definition of Community Network" to Draft<br>
>> Policy status.<br>
>><br>
>> Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8 is below and can be found at:<br>
>> <a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_8.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/<wbr>proposals/2017_8.html</a><br>
>><br>
>> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will<br>
>> evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft<br>
>> policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated<br>
>> in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:<br>
>><br>
>> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration<br>
>> * Technically Sound<br>
>> * Supported by the Community<br>
>><br>
>> The PDP can be found at:<br>
>> <a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/<wbr>pdp.html</a><br>
>><br>
>> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:<br>
>> <a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/<wbr>proposals/index.html</a><br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Sean Hopkins<br>
>> Policy Analyst<br>
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the Definition of Community Network<br>
>><br>
>> Problem Statement:<br>
>><br>
>> The Community Networks section of the NRPM has not been used since<br>
>> implementation in January 2010. Proposal ARIN-2016-7, to increase the<br>
>> number of use cases, was abandoned by the Advisory Council due to lack of<br>
>> feedback. Proposal ARIN 2017-2, to remove all mention of community networks<br>
>> from NRPM was met with opposition by the community. Many responded that the<br>
>> definition of ?community network? was too narrow, which could be the reason<br>
>> for lack of uptake.<br>
>><br>
>> Policy statement:<br>
>><br>
>> CURRENT NRPM TEXT:<br>
>><br>
>> ?2.11. Community Network<br>
>><br>
>> A community network is any network organized and operated by a volunteer<br>
>> group operating as or under the fiscal support of a nonprofit organization<br>
>> or university for the purpose of providing free or low-cost connectivity to<br>
>> the residents of their local service area. To be treated as a community<br>
>> network under ARIN policy, the applicant must certify to ARIN that the<br>
>> community network staff is 100% volunteers.?<br>
>><br>
>> NEW NRPM TEXT:<br>
>><br>
>> ?2.11 Community Network<br>
>><br>
>> A community network is a network organized and operated by a volunteer<br>
>> group, not-for-profit, non-profit, charitable organization, or<br>
>> post-secondary institution for the purpose of providing free or low-cost<br>
>> connectivity to residents in their service area. Critical functions may be<br>
>> handled by paid staff, but volunteers play a large role in offering<br>
>> services available through community networks.?<br>
>><br>
>> Comments:<br>
>><br>
>> Timetable for implementation: Immediate<br>
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