<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I don’t know if it is spelled out in policy, but it is certainly widespread practice and I know of nothing prohibiting it.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 26, 2017, at 06:50 , Roberts, Orin <<a href="mailto:oroberts@bell.ca" class="">oroberts@bell.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Ref: Geolocation and SWIPs<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I have seen SWIPs with GPS coordinates similar to the bus example; wifi/camera in remote park.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><i class=""><span style="background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">“A bus would be SWIPd to the bus yard or administrative offices of the bus company. The SWIP data is not required to be the service address, it is required to be an address for administrative and/or technical contact regarding the network and/or legal process service regarding same”.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></i></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><i class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></i></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Is this in ARIN’s policy?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">“<span style="background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">The SWIP data is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">no</u>t required to be the service address</span>”<o:p class=""></o:p></i></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><i class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></i></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; 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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 7/24/2017 1:31 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On Jul 20, 2017, at 14:28 ,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:hostmaster@uneedus.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">hostmaster@uneedus.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><br class="">My transit bus example is another example of SWIP difficulty. Very hard to provide a street address to SWIP a bus when it is mobile 16 hours a day.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Not at all. A bus would be SWIPd to the bus yard or administrative offices of the bus company. The SWIP data is not required to be the service address, it is required to be an address for administrative and/or technical contact regarding the network and/or legal process service regarding same.<br class=""><br class="">[rest trimmed because we are in agreement on that part]<br class=""><br class="">Owen<o:p class=""></o:p></p><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On Thu, 20 Jul 2017, Chris James wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">@Paul - The API key is to email it.<br class=""><br class="">@Owen - Very difficult when you have dynamic ranges, and vps/container<br class="">platforms spanning tens of thousands of instances across these dynamic<br class="">ranges.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Paul McNary <<a href="mailto:pmcnary@cameron.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">pmcnary@cameron.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Owen<br class=""><br class="">The reassignment policy page says IPv6 has to be done vi API.<br class="">Is that something else that is incorrect on the web site?<br class=""><br class="">Paul<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 7/20/2017 3:16 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">How can it be overly difficult to fill out an email template with your<br class="">customers’<br class="">Name, Address, Phone Number?<br class=""><br class="">Really?<br class=""><br class="">Owen<br class=""><br class="">On Jul 19, 2017, at 23:48 , Pallieter Koopmans <<a href="mailto:Pallieter@pallieter.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Pallieter@pallieter.org</a>><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hello,<br class=""><br class="">ARIN could quantify and require rules for when to SWIP, but in the<br class="">end, there are going to be exceptions needed if the rules are to be<br class="">strictly followed. Many will not separately SWIP a separately routed<br class="">sub-block if it is too difficult or pointless to gather and share that<br class="">data back upstream to ARIN.<br class=""><br class="">Thus a more fuzzy rule to require a best-effort and to add a<br class="">rule-based reason (preferably both a carrot and a stick) for block<br class="">owners to do their best to provide (only) useful data. In order to do<br class="">that, one needs to look back at why that data is needed. For a block<br class="">owner to assign the SWIP on a sub-block, he basically delegates tech<br class="">and abuse contact requests down to those that are probably more likely<br class="">to be able to actually act on the tech/abuse requests (and thus reduce<br class="">request-handling workload higher up and overall). 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