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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Wow, what did I miss?</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">I hope we’re not trying solve a security problem through a strict requirement of SWIP or anything that we’re doing. I hate to break it to everyone, but bad guys always find another way around and don’t really care about following any rules we create. We should be more focused on what makes sense and will benefit the general population when used correctly. </p><p class="MsoNormal">As soon as ARIN decides to do something for “security” and that enforcement is “worked around”, ARIN will be looked at as a failure.</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">As long the tool is available and all ISP are motivated to use it properly, it will work in general. There will always be exceptions. (fake entries etc..) some for bad reasons (like spammers) and some for good reasons (anonymity). </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">I’m good with any of the proposed. I would like to see more SWIP occurring and motivate ISP’s to do it by default unless the customer specifies they do not want their info tied to that IP address (commercial and residential). </p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"> </a></p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"></span><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ARIN-PPML [mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marilson<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 21, 2017 12:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>>; Pallieter Koopmans <<a href="mailto:Pallieter@pallieter.org">Pallieter@pallieter.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6</p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gentlemen, let me introduce practical elements into this "difficult and onerous" attitude, but ethical, on the tech and abuse contact requests.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Let's see in practice how it works when organizations accept and disclose absolutely false data, and when questioned, they simply lie or ignore it.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">We have on one side a well-known and hated spammer, on the other an ISP who insists on ignoring the denunciations, norms and laws, protecting and maintaining the profits that this spammer provides. And above all an entity that is self-titled as the regulator of good practice on the internet:</span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Marilson </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:55 AM</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> <a href="mailto:compliance@icann.org">compliance@icann.org</a> ; <a href="mailto:complaints@icann.org">complaints@icann.org</a> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> <a href="mailto:crain@icann.org">crain@icann.org</a> ; <a href="mailto:tips@nytimes.com">tips@nytimes.com</a> ; <a href="mailto:spam@uce.gov">spam@uce.gov</a> ; <a href="mailto:privacy@council.bbb.org">privacy@council.bbb.org</a> ; <a href="mailto:iana@iana.org">iana@iana.org</a> ; <a href="mailto:anonbrpt@anonymousbrasil.com">anonbrpt@anonymousbrasil.com</a> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Fw: [#HTK-505-74506]: Whois Inaccuracy complaint re: <a href="http://boasvendas.info">boasvendas.info</a> closed</span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Lie! The domain was not suspended and neither the Registrar or ISP suspended, deleted, cancelled or even deactivated the domain name. The spammer continues with their totally incorrect WHOIS data, making it impossible to take any defensive action because he has the protection of his ISP, Registrar, RIR and ICANN.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">What makes me impressed is how all of you treat the complaints, as if we were all morons.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Your behavior is exactly like the behavior of most ISPs when receiving spam and scam complaints. Greed and lack of ethics in protecting spammers and scammers, to increase traffic on the internet, has no limits. You... (truncated). And you survive because you have the protection of your governments that are, as a rule, run by corrupt politicians.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Thanks for nothing</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Marilson</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">*******************************************************************************************************************************</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> <a href="mailto:compliance-tickets@icann.org">compliance-tickets@icann.org</a> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Monday, July 17, 2017 11:43 PM</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> <a href="mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com">marilson.mapa@gmail.com</a> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> [#HTK-505-74506]: Whois Inaccuracy complaint re: <a href="http://boasvendas.info">boasvendas.info</a> closed</span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Dear Marilson,<br><br>Thank you for submitting a Whois Inaccuracy complaint concerning the domain name <a href="http://boasvendas.info">boasvendas.info</a>. ICANN has reviewed and closed your complaint because:<br><br>- Based on the current Whois data, the domain was suspended when the complaint was received by ICANN, or the registrar demonstrated that it took reasonable steps to investigate the Whois inaccuracy claim by suspending, deleting, cancelling or otherwise deactivating the domain name.<br><br>ICANN considers this matter now closed.<br><br>Please do not reply to the email. If you require future assistance, please email <a href="mailto:compliance@icann.org">compliance@icann.org</a>; if you have a new complaint, please submit it at <a href="http://www.icann.org/resources/compliance/complaints">http://www.icann.org/resources/compliance/complaints</a> .<br><br>ICANN is requesting your feedback on this closed complaint. Please complete this optional survey at <a href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/8F2Z6DP?ticket=HTK-505-74506">https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/8F2Z6DP?ticket=HTK-505-74506</a> .<br><br>Sincerely,<br><br>ICANN Contractual Compliance<br><br>############################################<br><br>The problem summary:<br><br>Reporter Name: Marilson<br>Reporter Email: <a href="mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com">marilson.mapa@gmail.com</a><br>Domain being reported: <a href="http://boasvendas.info">boasvendas.info</a><br><br>Time of submission/processing: Wed Jun 28 17:59:43 2017<br><br>Problem in whois block: Expiration Date<br>--- Error in date: Nothing to report<br><br>Problem in whois block: Technical Contact<br>--- Error in address: Incorrect address<br>--- Error in phone number: Incorrect phone<br>--- Error in name: Wrong person or entity<br>--- Error in email: Nothing to report<br>--- Error in fax number: Fax is missing<br>--- Comment: He is a spammer and someone want to keep him hidden from his victims.<br><br>Problem in whois block: Registrant Contact<br>--- Error in address: Incorrect address<br>--- Error in name: Wrong person or entity<br>--- Comment: Registrant ID: C205479611-LRMS <br>Registrant Name: BenL. A. - FAKE – DOESNOT EXIST<br>Registrant Organization: ???<br>Registrant Street: Estrada J. C. - FAKE – DOESNOT EXIST<br>Registrant City: Curtume - FAKE – DOESNOT EXIST<br>Registrant State/Province: Sao Paulo <br>Registrant Postal Code: 18110000 - FAKE – DOESNOT EXIST<br>Registrant Country: BR <br>Registrant Phone: +55.4333566600 - FAKE – DOESNOT EXIST<br><br>He is a spammer and someone want to keep him hidden from his victims.<br><br>Problem in whois block: Registration Date<br>--- Error in date: Nothing to report<br><br>Problem in whois block: Administrative Contact<br>--- Error in address: Incorrect address<br>--- Error in phone number: Incorrect phone<br>--- Error in name: Wrong person or entity<br>--- Error in email: Nothing to report<br>--- Error in fax number: Fax is missing<br>--- Comment: Boasvendas.info is a spammer and someone want to keep him hidden from his victims.<br><br>The whois at the time of processing is: <br><br>REGISTRY WHOIS:<br><br>Domain Name: <a href="http://BOASVENDAS.INFO">BOASVENDAS.INFO</a><br>Registry Domain ID: D503300000040848348-LRMS<br>Registrar WHOIS Server:<br>Registrar URL: <a href="http://www.wildwestdomains.com">http://www.wildwestdomains.com</a><br>Updated Date: 2017-06-24T11:29:56Z<br>Creation Date: 2017-06-19T21:44:52Z<br>Registry Expiry Date: 2018-06-19T21:44:52Z<br>Registrar Registration Expiration Date:<br>Registrar: Wild West Domains, LLC<br>Registrar IANA ID: 440<br>Registrar Abuse Contact Email:<br>Registrar Abuse Contact Phone:<br>Reseller:<br>Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited<br><a href="https://icann.org/epp#clientDeleteProhibited">https://icann.org/epp#clientDeleteProhibited</a><br>Domain Status: clientRenewProhibited<br><a href="https://icann.org/epp#clientRenewProhibited">https://icann.org/epp#clientRenewProhibited</a><br>Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited<br><a href="https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited">https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited</a><br>Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited<br><a href="https://icann.org/epp#clientUpdateProhibited">https://icann.org/epp#clientUpdateProhibited</a><br>Domain Status: serverTransferProhibited<br><a href="https://icann.org/epp#serverTransferProhibited">https://icann.org/epp#serverTransferProhibited</a><br>Registry Registrant ID: C205479611-LRMS<br>Registrant Name: BenL. A.<br>Registrant Organization:<br>Registrant Street: Estrada J. C.<br>Registrant City: Curtume<br>Registrant State/Province: Sao Paulo<br>Registrant Postal Code: 18110000<br>Registrant Country: BR<br>Registrant Phone: +55.4333566600<br>Registrant Phone Ext:<br>Registrant Fax:<br>Registrant Fax Ext:<br>Registrant Email: <a href="mailto:bouces1967@gmail.com">bouces1967@gmail.com</a><br>Registry Admin ID: C205479613-LRMS<br>Admin Name: BenL. A.<br>Admin Organization:<br>Admin Street: Estrada J. C.<br>Admin City: Curtume<br>Admin State/Province: Sao Paulo<br>Admin Postal Code: 18110000<br>Admin Country: BR<br>Admin Phone: +55.4333566600<br>Admin Phone Ext:<br>Admin Fax:<br>Admin Fax Ext:<br>Admin Email: <a href="mailto:bouces1967@gmail.com">bouces1967@gmail.com</a><br>Registry Tech ID: C205479612-LRMS<br>Tech Name: BenL. A.<br>Tech Organization:<br>Tech Street: Estrada J. C.<br>Tech City: Curtume<br>Tech State/Province: Sao Paulo<br>Tech Postal Code: 18110000<br>Tech Country: BR<br>Tech Phone: +55.4333566600<br>Tech Phone Ext:<br>Tech Fax:<br>Tech Fax Ext:<br>Tech Email: <a href="mailto:bouces1967@gmail.com">bouces1967@gmail.com</a><br>Registry Billing ID: C205479614-LRMS<br>Billing Name: BenL. A.<br>Billing Organization:<br>Billing Street: Estrada J. C.<br>Billing City: Curtume<br>Billing State/Province: Sao Paulo<br>Billing Postal Code: 18110000<br>Billing Country: BR<br>Billing Phone: +55.4333566600<br>Billing Phone Ext:<br>Billing Fax:<br>Billing Fax Ext:<br>Billing Email: <a href="mailto:bouces1967@gmail.com">bouces1967@gmail.com</a><br>Name Server: <a href="http://NS1.BOASVENDAS.INFO">NS1.BOASVENDAS.INFO</a><br>Name Server: <a href="http://NS2.BOASVENDAS.INFO">NS2.BOASVENDAS.INFO</a><br>DNSSEC: unsigned<br>URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form:<br><a href="https://www.icann.org/wicf/">https://www.icann.org/wicf/</a><br>>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2017-06-28T17:59:03Z <<<<br><br>For more information on Whois status codes, please visit<br><a href="https://icann.org/epp">https://icann.org/epp</a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><hr size="3" width="100%" align="center"></span></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">That is it.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Marilson</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">*******************************************************************************************************************************</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> <a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" title="owen@delong.com">Owen DeLong</a> </span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:16 PM</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> <a href="mailto:Pallieter@pallieter.org" title="Pallieter@pallieter.org">Pallieter Koopmans</a> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" title="arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6</span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">How can it be overly difficult to fill out an email template with your customers’<br>Name, Address, Phone Number?<br><br>Really?<br><br>Owen<br><br>> On Jul 19, 2017, at 23:48 , Pallieter Koopmans <<a href="mailto:Pallieter@pallieter.org">Pallieter@pallieter.org</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> Hello,<br>> <br>> ARIN could quantify and require rules for when to SWIP, but in the<br>> end, there are going to be exceptions needed if the rules are to be<br>> strictly followed. Many will not separately SWIP a separately routed<br>> sub-block if it is too difficult or pointless to gather and share that<br>> data back upstream to ARIN.<br>> <br>> Thus a more fuzzy rule to require a best-effort and to add a<br>> rule-based reason (preferably both a carrot and a stick) for block<br>> owners to do their best to provide (only) useful data. In order to do<br>> that, one needs to look back at why that data is needed. For a block<br>> owner to assign the SWIP on a sub-block, he basically delegates tech<br>> and abuse contact requests down to those that are probably more likely<br>> to be able to actually act on the tech/abuse requests (and thus reduce<br>> request-handling workload higher up and overall). But for that to<br>> work, those tech/abuse contact requests need to be actually handled,<br>> otherwise, it is better to leave them with the block owner.<br>> <br>> In the end, the contact details should be as close to the "person"<br>> that is actually capable to both handle (think: volume/languages/etc)<br>> and act (think: authority) on the tech/abuse requests.<br>> <br>> eBrain<br>> Innovative Internet Ideas<br>> <br>> Pallieter Koopmans<br>> Managing Director<br>> <br>> +31-6-3400-3800 (mon-sat 9-22 CET)<br>> Skype: PallieterKoopmans<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> PPML<br>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br>> <a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>> Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.</span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>