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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jason,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I support the concept that there should be SWIP data for any more specific in the routing table, but I don’t see how that can be an ARIN policy. This appears to be the wrong venue for the discussion because the only recourse is for ARIN to revoke space that someone accepts into global routing without SWIP data. Since a 3<sup>rd</sup> party has “accepted” the announcement, by taking the only recourse of revocation, ARIN would be stating that the routing actions of the involved ISPs are invalid. In effect making a clear statement about -how- routing is done. This is out-of-scope for ARIN.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tony<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></a></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ARIN-PPML [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jason Schiller<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 17, 2017 9:14 AM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> John Curran<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I am replying to bring the conversation to one of the suggestions <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>on the table.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Owen DeLong's suggesting of SWIP all IPv6 business users, and <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>not Residential users,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Or Kevin Blumberg (and David Farmer) suggestion of SWIP'ing all <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>prefixes that might show up as a more specific in the global routing <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>table.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>These are roughly the same result, and have a question of which<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>has a more easily understandable policy. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The question is who here supports one or both of these <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>proposals?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Who oppose one (if so which one) or both of these proposals?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I would like to suggest one friendly amendment... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>- ISPs are required to SWIP IP space that is a reallocation. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>- ISPs are required to SWIP IP space that is a reassignment<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> whenever that down stream customer requests such. That <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> SWIP must be a reassign detail, reassign simple, or a <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> residential privacy (if applicable) per the customer request.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>___Jason<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:42 AM, John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On 17 Jul 2017, at 9:47 AM, <a href="mailto:hostmaster@uneedus.com">hostmaster@uneedus.com</a> wrote:<br>> ,,,<br>> This is the problem. ARIN is not a carrier. While disclosure to ARIN to obtain number resources for the connection is OK, Public disclosure by or at the direction of ARIN policy of elements like domain name, name, address and telephone number is not. Since name, address, telephone number and domain name have already been identified have been defined in the order as elements of CPNI that are protected, world disclosure by ARIN or because of ARIN rules would not be a protected disclosure.<br>><br>> The ISP might also be in trouble for providing the information to ARIN, if they know that ARIN intends to publish this information in a public directory, rather than disclosing it to ARIN solely to maintain number resources. As suggested by the OP, might have to call them customer 1-n. However that would violate the NRPM as written. Since the City, State and Zip Code are part of the address, even the "protected" residential records CPNI are being disclosed in violation of the CPNI Order.<br>><br>> There is a big difference between disclosure to ARIN for taking care of numbering policy, and disclosure to the entire world. Third party disclosure is the main thing that the CPNI rules are intended to address. That is only permitted when it is needed for the provision of service.<br><br>Compliance with registry policy is indeed necessary to receive number resources;<br>it is up to you to determine whether IP number resources are necessary for provision<br>of your Internet services.<br><br>If you choose not to make use of Internet Numbers Registry System resources for<br>provision of Internet services (or not assign them to your customers), then that is<br>your choice. Some ISPs may feel that it is necessary to seek consent of customers<br>who wish to have public IP number resources assigned in the size that would result in<br>their publication in the public registry, whereas others may not based on their reading<br>of applicable regulations regarding handling of CPNI information. Such choices are<br>an operational and business matter left to each ISP to decide based on their individual<br>understanding and circumstances.<br><br>Thanks!<br><span class=im>/John</span><br><br><span class=im>John Curran</span><br><span class=im>President and CEO</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>ARIN<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#555555" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#555555'>_______________________________________________________</span></font><font color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Jason Schiller|NetOps|<a href="mailto:jschiller@google.com" target="_blank">jschiller@google.com</a>|571-266-0006</span></font><font color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>