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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think we are in violent agreement here, other than the ARIN membership is the wrong venue (not broad enough to encompass the appropriate community) for the base statement that SWIP data must exist for a routing entry. If the appropriately broad community established that BCP; a policy enforceable by ARIN staff would be “complies with community established BCP’s related to routing”. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The only problem I have with the general braindead conservation mindset that says a /48 is non-consumer, and must be SWIPed while longer values would be only consumer and therefore exempt. As far as it goes, if a consumer convinced the ISP they had a technical need for a /36, that should be exempt based on consumer protection. Length has nothing to do with it. Identifiable routing slot contact info is the “need” here, so anything that is not broken out doesn’t “need” SWIP data. That said, this whole paragraph, and most of the current discussion belongs in another venue.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tony<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></a></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> John Curran [mailto:jcurran@arin.net] <br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 17, 2017 12:25 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Tony Hain<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On 17 Jul 2017, at 11:20 AM, Tony Hain <<a href="mailto:alh-ietf@tndh.net">alh-ietf@tndh.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So you are OK with a policy that says ARIN is required to revoke address space if other ISP’s choose to accept it into the routing table, but there is no SWIP for it? To me that says you are making a statement about “how things are routed” by requiring a database entry before it gets accepted into routing.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have no problem with a BCP to the effect that the data SHOULD exist, but as a policy this has ARIN stomping right on the line it claims to avoid.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Tony - <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>ARIN number resource policy must be germane to administration of the registry;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>i.e. if you want a policy that says an address block will only be issued for a certain<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>reason (and that reason includes some routing characteristic, such as multihoming)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>then ARIN will have parties represent that they intend to use in accordance with<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>that requirement, and will investigate representations that appear to be fraudulent.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>For example, a policy that states that "IPv6 blocks will have SWIP performed for any<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>sub-delegations which are going to be individually announced by the ISP" would be <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>a policy which is enforceable, since the ISP is representing that they’ll do “X" under <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>certain circumstances, and it’s trivial to revoke if they fail to follow through and we <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>receive a fraud report from the community calling attention to that fraud. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Just remember, any characteristic or behavior that you intend to promulgate in this<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>manner effectively effective defines or extends the scope of ARIN’s mission, so it’s <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>worth being very cautious and very certain before proposing such… The fact that <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>parties need IP address space mean that they have little effective remedy to the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>implications of community-developed number policy, and so requirements that aren’t <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>directly and clearly related to ARIN’s mission (e.g. “requester agrees that they will <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>put a statute of ARIN’s CEO in their lobby within 12 months of issuance”) are likely<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>to be found out of scope by ARIN’s Board of Trustees...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>/John<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>John Curran<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>President and CEO<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>American Registry of Internet Numbers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div></body></html>