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      <blockquote type="cite">Compliance with registry policy is indeed
        necessary to receive number resources;<br>
        it is up to you to determine whether IP number resources are
        necessary for provision<br>
        of your Internet services.</blockquote>
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    But doesn't ARIN registry policy have to follow the law concerning
    CPNI ?<br>
    This is where I have always had trouble with your comments John, you<br>
    are constantly making "veil" threats about our ability to receive
    ARIN resources.<br>
    Then your staff says to ignore your "veil" threats.<br>
    <p>Paul McNary    <br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pmcnary@cameron.net">pmcnary@cameron.net</a><br>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/17/2017 1:33 PM, Jason Schiller
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAC4yj2Xq_onn5Z+2qseReNb2jizm5BRYtGtEn0TjatVO=Lz0SA@mail.gmail.com">
      <div dir="ltr">David,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Can you define voluntary?</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Is the voluntary choice to record a reassignment </div>
        <div>up to the USP?  </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Or does the choice belong to the end-user?</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I suspect if reassignment is voluntary for ISPs, then they</div>
        <div>will just stop doing it.  In some cases it is beneficial to
          the </div>
        <div>end-user, supporting multi-homing, having their own abuse</div>
        <div>contact info, etc...</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>__Jason</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:08 PM, David
          Huberman <span dir="ltr"><<a
              href="mailto:daveid@panix.com" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">daveid@panix.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="auto">
              <div>In addition to these options/questions, I feel like
                we glossed over the question posed by Marty Hannigan:
                what is the value of REQUIRING SWIP anymore?  As a
                community member (not as an AC member) I have trouble
                supporting any of these as I'm not sure I support SWIP
                being anything other than voluntary.  Whois
                reassignments are not the proper place for the
                information LE wants, in my opinion, and has almost no
                value to NOCs.  And ARIN doesn't need it anymore for
                qualification purposes for a scarce resource.  So what's
                he point of all this?  Genuine question; no tone
                implied.<br>
                <br>
                Sent from my iPhone</div>
              <div>
                <div class="h5">
                  <div><br>
                    On Jul 17, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Jason Schiller <<a
                      href="mailto:jschiller@google.com" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">jschiller@google.com</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div>
                      <div dir="ltr">I am replying to bring the
                        conversation to one of the suggestions 
                        <div>on the table.
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Owen DeLong's suggesting of SWIP all IPv6
                            business users, and </div>
                          <div>not Residential users,</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Or Kevin Blumberg (and David Farmer)
                            suggestion of SWIP'ing all </div>
                          <div>prefixes that might show up as a more
                            specific in the global routing </div>
                          <div>table.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>These are roughly the same result, and
                            have a question of which</div>
                          <div>has a more easily understandable policy.
                             </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>The question is who here supports one or
                            both of these </div>
                          <div>proposals?</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Who oppose one (if so which one) or both
                            of these proposals?</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>I would like to suggest one friendly
                            amendment...  </div>
                          <div>- ISPs are required to SWIP IP space that
                            is a reallocation.  </div>
                          <div>- ISPs are required to SWIP IP space that
                            is a reassignment</div>
                          <div>   whenever that down stream customer
                            requests such.  That </div>
                          <div>   SWIP must be a reassign detail,
                            reassign simple, or a </div>
                          <div>   residential privacy (if applicable)
                            per the customer request.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>___Jason</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at
                          10:42 AM, John Curran <span dir="ltr"><<a
                              href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jcurran@arin.net</a>></span>
                          wrote:<br>
                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                            style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
                            #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 17 Jul 2017,
                            at 9:47 AM, <a
                              href="mailto:hostmaster@uneedus.com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">hostmaster@uneedus.com</a>
                            wrote:<br>
                            > ,,,<br>
                            <span>> This is the problem.  ARIN is not
                              a carrier.  While disclosure to ARIN to
                              obtain number resources for the connection
                              is OK, Public disclosure by or at the
                              direction of ARIN policy of elements like
                              domain name, name, address and telephone
                              number is not.  Since name, address,
                              telephone number and domain name have
                              already been identified have been defined
                              in the order as elements of CPNI that are
                              protected, world disclosure by ARIN or
                              because of ARIN rules would not be a
                              protected disclosure.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > The ISP might also be in trouble for
                              providing the information to ARIN, if they
                              know that ARIN intends to publish this
                              information in a public directory, rather
                              than disclosing it to ARIN solely to
                              maintain number resources.  As suggested
                              by the OP, might have to call them
                              customer 1-n. However that would violate
                              the NRPM as written.  Since the City,
                              State and Zip Code are part of the
                              address, even the "protected" residential
                              records CPNI are being disclosed in
                              violation of the CPNI Order.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > There is a big difference between
                              disclosure to ARIN for taking care of
                              numbering policy, and disclosure to the
                              entire world.  Third party disclosure is
                              the main thing that the CPNI rules are
                              intended to address. That is only
                              permitted when it is needed for the
                              provision of service.<br>
                              <br>
                            </span>Compliance with registry policy is
                            indeed necessary to receive number
                            resources;<br>
                            it is up to you to determine whether IP
                            number resources are necessary for provision<br>
                            of your Internet services.<br>
                            <br>
                            If you choose not to make use of Internet
                            Numbers Registry System resources for<br>
                            provision of Internet services (or not
                            assign them to your customers), then that is<br>
                            your choice.   Some ISPs may feel that it is
                            necessary to seek consent of customers<br>
                            who wish to have public IP number resources
                            assigned in the size that would result in<br>
                            their publication in the public registry,
                            whereas others may not based on their
                            reading<br>
                            of applicable regulations regarding handling
                            of CPNI information.  Such choices are<br>
                            an operational and business matter left to
                            each ISP to decide based on their individual<br>
                            understanding and circumstances.<br>
                            <br>
                            Thanks!<br>
                            <span class="m_-3639877253407562265im
                              m_-3639877253407562265HOEnZb">/John<br>
                              <br>
                              John Curran<br>
                              President and CEO<br>
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