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<blockquote type="cite">Compliance with registry policy is indeed
necessary to receive number resources;<br>
it is up to you to determine whether IP number resources are
necessary for provision<br>
of your Internet services.</blockquote>
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But doesn't ARIN registry policy have to follow the law concerning
CPNI ?<br>
This is where I have always had trouble with your comments John, you<br>
are constantly making "veil" threats about our ability to receive
ARIN resources.<br>
Then your staff says to ignore your "veil" threats.<br>
<p>Paul McNary <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pmcnary@cameron.net">pmcnary@cameron.net</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/17/2017 1:33 PM, Jason Schiller
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAC4yj2Xq_onn5Z+2qseReNb2jizm5BRYtGtEn0TjatVO=Lz0SA@mail.gmail.com">
<div dir="ltr">David,
<div><br>
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<div>Can you define voluntary?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is the voluntary choice to record a reassignment </div>
<div>up to the USP? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Or does the choice belong to the end-user?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I suspect if reassignment is voluntary for ISPs, then they</div>
<div>will just stop doing it. In some cases it is beneficial to
the </div>
<div>end-user, supporting multi-homing, having their own abuse</div>
<div>contact info, etc...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>__Jason</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:08 PM, David
Huberman <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:daveid@panix.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">daveid@panix.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>In addition to these options/questions, I feel like
we glossed over the question posed by Marty Hannigan:
what is the value of REQUIRING SWIP anymore? As a
community member (not as an AC member) I have trouble
supporting any of these as I'm not sure I support SWIP
being anything other than voluntary. Whois
reassignments are not the proper place for the
information LE wants, in my opinion, and has almost no
value to NOCs. And ARIN doesn't need it anymore for
qualification purposes for a scarce resource. So what's
he point of all this? Genuine question; no tone
implied.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
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<div><br>
On Jul 17, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Jason Schiller <<a
href="mailto:jschiller@google.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jschiller@google.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>
<div dir="ltr">I am replying to bring the
conversation to one of the suggestions
<div>on the table.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Owen DeLong's suggesting of SWIP all IPv6
business users, and </div>
<div>not Residential users,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Or Kevin Blumberg (and David Farmer)
suggestion of SWIP'ing all </div>
<div>prefixes that might show up as a more
specific in the global routing </div>
<div>table.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>These are roughly the same result, and
have a question of which</div>
<div>has a more easily understandable policy.
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The question is who here supports one or
both of these </div>
<div>proposals?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Who oppose one (if so which one) or both
of these proposals?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would like to suggest one friendly
amendment... </div>
<div>- ISPs are required to SWIP IP space that
is a reallocation. </div>
<div>- ISPs are required to SWIP IP space that
is a reassignment</div>
<div> whenever that down stream customer
requests such. That </div>
<div> SWIP must be a reassign detail,
reassign simple, or a </div>
<div> residential privacy (if applicable)
per the customer request.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>___Jason</div>
<div><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at
10:42 AM, John Curran <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jcurran@arin.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 17 Jul 2017,
at 9:47 AM, <a
href="mailto:hostmaster@uneedus.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">hostmaster@uneedus.com</a>
wrote:<br>
> ,,,<br>
<span>> This is the problem. ARIN is not
a carrier. While disclosure to ARIN to
obtain number resources for the connection
is OK, Public disclosure by or at the
direction of ARIN policy of elements like
domain name, name, address and telephone
number is not. Since name, address,
telephone number and domain name have
already been identified have been defined
in the order as elements of CPNI that are
protected, world disclosure by ARIN or
because of ARIN rules would not be a
protected disclosure.<br>
><br>
> The ISP might also be in trouble for
providing the information to ARIN, if they
know that ARIN intends to publish this
information in a public directory, rather
than disclosing it to ARIN solely to
maintain number resources. As suggested
by the OP, might have to call them
customer 1-n. However that would violate
the NRPM as written. Since the City,
State and Zip Code are part of the
address, even the "protected" residential
records CPNI are being disclosed in
violation of the CPNI Order.<br>
><br>
> There is a big difference between
disclosure to ARIN for taking care of
numbering policy, and disclosure to the
entire world. Third party disclosure is
the main thing that the CPNI rules are
intended to address. That is only
permitted when it is needed for the
provision of service.<br>
<br>
</span>Compliance with registry policy is
indeed necessary to receive number
resources;<br>
it is up to you to determine whether IP
number resources are necessary for provision<br>
of your Internet services.<br>
<br>
If you choose not to make use of Internet
Numbers Registry System resources for<br>
provision of Internet services (or not
assign them to your customers), then that is<br>
your choice. Some ISPs may feel that it is
necessary to seek consent of customers<br>
who wish to have public IP number resources
assigned in the size that would result in<br>
their publication in the public registry,
whereas others may not based on their
reading<br>
of applicable regulations regarding handling
of CPNI information. Such choices are<br>
an operational and business matter left to
each ISP to decide based on their individual<br>
understanding and circumstances.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<span class="m_-3639877253407562265im
m_-3639877253407562265HOEnZb">/John<br>
<br>
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