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On 17 Jul 2017, at 11:20 AM, Tony Hain <<a href="mailto:alh-ietf@tndh.net" class="">alh-ietf@tndh.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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<font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">So you are OK with a policy that says ARIN is required to revoke address space if other ISP’s choose to
accept it into the routing table, but there is no SWIP for it? To me that says you are making a statement about “how things are routed” by requiring a database entry before it gets accepted into routing.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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<font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I have no problem with a BCP to the effect that the data SHOULD exist, but as a policy this has ARIN stomping
right on the line it claims to avoid.</span></font></div>
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<div>ARIN number resource policy must be germane to administration of the registry;</div>
<div>i.e. if you want a policy that says an address block will only be issued for a certain</div>
<div>reason (and that reason includes some routing characteristic, such as multihoming)</div>
<div>then ARIN will have parties represent that they intend to use in accordance with</div>
<div>that requirement, and will investigate representations that appear to be fraudulent.</div>
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<div>For example, a policy that states that "IPv6 blocks will have SWIP performed for any</div>
<div>sub-delegations which are going to be individually announced by the ISP" would be </div>
<div>a policy which is enforceable, since the ISP is representing that they’ll do “X" under </div>
<div>certain circumstances, and it’s trivial to revoke if they fail to follow through and we </div>
<div>receive a fraud report from the community calling attention to that fraud. </div>
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<div>Just remember, any characteristic or behavior that you intend to promulgate in this</div>
<div>manner effectively effective defines or extends the scope of ARIN’s mission, so it’s </div>
<div>worth being very cautious and very certain before proposing such… The fact that </div>
<div>parties need IP address space mean that they have little effective remedy to the </div>
<div>implications of community-developed number policy, and so requirements that aren’t </div>
<div>directly and clearly related to ARIN’s mission (e.g. “requester agrees that they will </div>
<div>put a statute of ARIN’s CEO in their lobby within 12 months of issuance”) are likely</div>
<div>to be found out of scope by ARIN’s Board of Trustees...</div>
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<div>Thanks!</div>
<div>/John</div>
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<div>John Curran</div>
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<div>American Registry of Internet Numbers</div>
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