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<div class="">To be clear, ARIN’s Internet number resource policy has historically avoided
<div class="">statements that direct or forbid routing of IP address blocks, as ARIN’s role</div>
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<div class="">Such a separation doesn’t preclude the community from adopting policy which</div>
<div class="">references the present or future state of routing (note, for example, the use of</div>
<div class="">“multihoming” criteria in several portions of the NRPM), but folks are reminded</div>
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<div class="">ARIN registry is to be administered, not how things are to be routed, since the </div>
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<div class="">On 14 Jul 2017, at 9:25 PM, Tony Hain <<a href="mailto:alh-ietf@tndh.net" class="">alh-ietf@tndh.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">While I totally agree with your reasoning, doesn’t that fly in the face of the policy that Arin says “nothing
about routing”? It is one thing to have a BCP stating expectations for being able to find a contact for a routing entry, it is another to have a “policy” that a routing entry requires swiped contact info.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">Rather than base it on the criteria of business vs. residential customer, how about simply basing it on the criteria, is the assignment intended to be or is used within the
global routing system or not, or if the customer requests their assignment be SWIPed. Most residential assignments be they /56 or /48 won't be in the global routing system, neither will many business assignments either, after that then an assignment is only
SWIPed if the customer requests it.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">My reasoning for wanting to have /48s SWIPed isn't based on business vs residential customer type, which has a fuzzy definition sometimes anyway. Its that /48s might appear
in the routing table. So just make that the criteria in the first place, if we are not going to based it on a specific size like we did in IPv4. Also, then any policy violations become easily apparent. If an ISP doesn't SWIP some of there business customers,
how are you going to know anyway? However, if a route is in the route table and there is no SWIP that is fairly self apparent.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></font></div>
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<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Tony Hain <<a href="mailto:alh-ietf@tndh.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">alh-ietf@tndh.net</a>>
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<font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">To avoid the situation of Owen being a lone voice, I have to echo his point that it is insane that people
persist with IPv4-think and extreme conservation. Allocations longer than a /48 to a residence ensure that automated topology configuration can’t happen, because /52’s won’t happen and /56’s are too long for random consumer plug-n-play. Therefore a policy
that /48’s must be swiped ensures that we maintain single subnet consumer networks. A policy that says /48’s might be swiped (will in a business and not in a non-residential case) does not reinforce the braindead notion that longer than /48 has some special
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<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">Consensus hasn’t yet been reached. I agree that there is significant support for “shorter than /56” actually (not /56 itself). Nonetheless, I don’t believe that shorter than
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<font size="2" face="Times New Roman" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">I think you're an outlier here. I see consensus that /48 should be swiped and /56 should not. If there's debate that /52 or /49 should also not be swiped or that a some more
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