<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Jason:<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">If changing, updating, or "fixing" the definition will make an impact on community networks, then it should be done. I still do not see much of an impact even if the change is performed. Most have commented that money is the main reason for their "troubles", so the change will not affect their fees.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">José<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>José R. de la Cruz<br></div><a href="mailto:jrdelacruz@acm.org" target="_blank">jrdelacruz@acm.org</a><br></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Jason Schiller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jschiller@google.com" target="_blank">jschiller@google.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Marita,<div><br></div><div>I take to message to mean having ARIN policy for community networks </div><div>is helpful, and the policy is not used by community networks, because </div><div>the 100% volunteer requirement disqualifies many who would benefit </div><div>which is why the policy has gone unused.</div><div><br></div><div>The next step is coming up with a definition that will support community </div><div>networks, but not allow other organizations to abuse the definition as a</div><div>loophole.</div><div><br></div><div>The conversation needs to shift to how do we define "community networks"</div><div>in a useful way.</div><div><br></div><div>Propose a definition for community networks.</div><div><br></div><div>Can you borrow from other definitions of community networks </div><div>that you come across in your sphere, such as say the tax codes, </div><div>or access to some other privilege that community networks may </div><div>be granted?</div><div><br></div><div>I suspect the ARIN community would be happy dropping the volunteer</div><div>requirement if there was some other way to separate out things</div><div>that are community networks.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>__Jason</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Marita Moll <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Hello all. As part of
NARALO, I attended the ARIN mtg in New Orleans and became aware
of the policy re: community networks. I don't have all the
details others can contribute. But I have been involved on the
policy side with community networks in Canada for 20 years, so
can provide a small slice of context from here.<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">I totally agree that community networks
see a lot of value in being recognized in ARIN policy. The few
are doing well, others struggle to exist. But they have been
and in some areas are still an important part of the Internet
access landscape. </font></font><font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">It is
difficult, as it is, to even locate these scattered entities.
Deleting language the recognizes their existence would be a
shame. <br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">The 100% volunteer driven requirement is
not realistic. I don't know what it should be. Even 70%
volunteer driven might not bring in much more activity in the
short term but it would be a recognition that the non-profit/cooperative
model is a viable option for communities trying to manage
their own access issues.<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">Marita Moll</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">Telecommunities Canada (loose coalition
of community networks in Canada)<br>
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