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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Might be breaking new
ground here re: definitions. I will check around. It will take a
few days.</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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17 10:35 PM, Jason Schiller wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Marita,
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<div>I take to message to mean having ARIN policy for community
networks </div>
<div>is helpful, and the policy is not used by community
networks, because </div>
<div>the 100% volunteer requirement disqualifies many who would
benefit </div>
<div>which is why the policy has gone unused.</div>
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<div>The next step is coming up with a definition that will
support community </div>
<div>networks, but not allow other organizations to abuse the
definition as a</div>
<div>loophole.</div>
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<div>The conversation needs to shift to how do we define
"community networks"</div>
<div>in a useful way.</div>
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<div>Propose a definition for community networks.</div>
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<div>Can you borrow from other definitions of community
networks </div>
<div>that you come across in your sphere, such as say the tax
codes, </div>
<div>or access to some other privilege that community networks
may </div>
<div>be granted?</div>
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<div>I suspect the ARIN community would be happy dropping the
volunteer</div>
<div>requirement if there was some other way to separate out
things</div>
<div>that are community networks.</div>
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<div>__Jason</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Marita
Moll <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net"
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Hello all.
As part of NARALO, I attended the ARIN mtg in New
Orleans and became aware of the policy re: community
networks. I don't have all the details others can
contribute. But I have been involved on the policy
side with community networks in Canada for 20 years,
so can provide a small slice of context from here.<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I totally agree
that community networks see a lot of value in being
recognized in ARIN policy. The few are doing well,
others struggle to exist. But they have been and in
some areas are still an important part of the
Internet access landscape. </font></font><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times
New Roman, Times, serif">It is difficult, as it is,
to even locate these scattered entities. Deleting
language the recognizes their existence would be a
shame. <br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">The 100%
volunteer driven requirement is not realistic. I
don't know what it should be. Even 70% volunteer
driven might not bring in much more activity in the
short term but it would be a recognition that the
non-profit/cooperative model is a viable option for
communities trying to manage their own access
issues.<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita Moll</font></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Telecommunities
Canada (loose coalition of community networks in
Canada)<br>
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