<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I can’t imagine a financial institution in their right mind taking IPv4 addresses as collateral on a loan (which would be the only <div class="">reason for the “ownership” issue described).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 10, 2017, at 13:46 , Martin Hannigan <<a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com" class="">hannigan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:35 PM, William Herrin <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank" class="">bill@herrin.us</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><span class="">On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Robby Hicks <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:robby@usdedicated.com" target="_blank" class="">robby@usdedicated.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Hey guys, quick question for you here. We are looking to buy a larger block of IP's, however we need to finance this out through a financing company. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">During the financing term, ownership of the IP would need to be by the financial institution, then transferred to our account after buyout is completed.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></span><div class="">Hi Robby,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Contractually you do not own addresses allocated to you through ARIN's transfer process. In the Registration Services Agreement you signed you explicitly disclaimed ownership. There is no legal ownership, either by you or a financing company. There might or might not be legal ownership by ARIN -- that's not well defined by the courts yet. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">'Ownership' can be achieved. In terms of his question about financing, its an interesting request. It is possible to acquire space and if you properly engage "A" $RIR, you could well call it an asset. One won't be able to finance a debt position in it otherwise AFAIK since if it's not property and you don't own it you can't collateralize it. <br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">Organizations receiving IP addresses from ARIN must demonstrate an operational need. The financing company has no such need. Hence ARIN will not accept them as the registrant lawfully entitled to control of the address block.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To some extent you may be able to make binding legal promises to the financing company with respect to facilitating a subsequent transfer should you default on payments. A lawyer could help you figure out how. I'm dubious about your luck talking the financing company in to it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Or acquire assets in $REGION to satisfy the need for a financier to be able to take a debt position in an asset. Hard pressed to believe anyone is going to finance anything but ERX/legacy addresses and only outside of the ARIN region. <b class="">But then.. reputable and knowledgeable broker. <br class=""><br class="">Or... v6. <---</b><br class=""></div><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote">YMMV.<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote">Best,<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote">-M<<br class=""><br class=""></div></div></div>
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