<div dir="ltr">Kevin,<div><br>I think that is correct, although I'm not sure they'd have to show 80% of the new /18, just meet the overall usage threshold. Depends on the exact language we use, of course.</div><div><br></div><div>What's your preference between A, C, and D?</div><div><br></div><div>-Scott</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Kevin Blumberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kevinb@thewire.ca" target="_blank">kevinb@thewire.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I’m not comfortable with B.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In regards to C the intent would be to allow someone who has a /19 to get a /18 and then as an example
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There is another option.<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">D) you can use this policy once every 3 months<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Schiller<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 7, 2017 2:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Scott Leibrand <<a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com" target="_blank">scottleibrand@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ARIN-PPML List <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] 2016-3 Revisited - anti-abuse clause<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'd like to quickly outline the options, and see if we can get more people to weigh in and either note they object to one or more options, are ambivalent to one or more options, or support one or more options (with some preference).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">C. you can use this policy to transfer a total of up to a /16<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That would be a significant improvement on the current ("An organization may only qualify under 8.5.7 once every 6 months.") text. I would be equally fine with this text ("N<span style="font-size:9.5pt">o more than a total of a /16 equivalent
may be transferred under these provisions within any 6 month period." or similar) or with Jason's ("<span style="color:#500050">An organization may only qualify under 8.5.7 once every 6 months, unless they can also demonstrate growth of IPv4 utilization of
at least half of the amount of specified transfers since the previous transfer pre-authorization or approval.")</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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… Such that no more than a total of a /16 equivalent may be transferred under these provisions within any 6 month period. …<br>
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> On Feb 3, 2017, at 07:19 , David R Huberman <<a href="mailto:daveid@panix.com" target="_blank">daveid@panix.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I thought of a possible problem with the anti-abuse language -- all versions of it. Let me talk it out.<br>
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> An organization has a /19.<br>
> It has growing products, and wants another /19 for its 1 or 2 year need.<br>
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> It closes the deal with Buyer A first, and transfers at ARIN using the proposed language.<br>
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> (In all discussion, yes, you can always use the other sections of 8.5, but let's stick to the spirit of this policy language, which is meant to help smaller and mid-size networks double their holdings without needs testing.)<br>
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