<div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small">I think the unsolicited commercial e-mail argument is a bit of a straw-man, at least from a legal perspective. Perhaps not from a landing ARIN on anti-spam lists perspective. <br> <br></div><div style="font-size:small">Under the Canadian anti-spam law (CASL), I believe the relationship with ARIN would fall under implied consent by virtue of the indirectly-registered user utilizing ARIN resources. Notably, the Canadian anti-spam legislation also states that:<br><br></div><div style="font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"helvetica neue",helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">"If you continue to send CEMs over time, based on implied consent, there is an ongoing need to maintain accurate records."</span></div><div style="font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"helvetica neue",helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:small">Not sure what that looks like stateside, or in the Caribbean. I'd appreciate if a lawyer on the list could weigh in.</div><div style="font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-size:small">If we're going to pursue an alternative policy proposal that falls in the middle ground between eliminating indirect POC validation and validating every indirect POC, I like Scott's assertion that an immediate approach to validation of a new resource user is necessary, if only for socialization of the relationship going forward. This deviates from policy-making and enters the weeds of ARIN operations, though. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 9:54 AM William Herrin <<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 4:25 PM, james machado <<a href="mailto:hvgeekwtrvl@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">hvgeekwtrvl@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
> As a former (and possibly current) assignee of a SWIP reassignment one of<br class="gmail_msg">
> the larger issues is I had no idea I had multiple POCs created by the ISPs<br class="gmail_msg">
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> Prior to getting my current assignment, the ISP I was using created a POC<br class="gmail_msg">
> for each SWIP it remembered to do. Thus I had POCa, POCb ... POCn, one for<br class="gmail_msg">
> each circuit/address combo from each ISP. Even after doing multiple<br class="gmail_msg">
> searches I am not sure I have found them all.<br class="gmail_msg">
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Hi James,<br class="gmail_msg">
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This sounds like another ARIN process issue to me. Unless you used a<br class="gmail_msg">
different email address for each one, ARIN should have been able to<br class="gmail_msg">
detect and do something sensible with the duplicates.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> There should also be a stick. I don't know the form of the stick but those<br class="gmail_msg">
> creating the third party POCs should be held accountable when they 1) don't<br class="gmail_msg">
> do them and 2) do them wrong.<br class="gmail_msg">
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Just so.<br class="gmail_msg">
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Bill Herrin<br class="gmail_msg">
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