<div dir="ltr">I am highly confused now.<div><br></div><div>We have the 25% utilization check which really is the only verifiable </div><div>check to rate-limit aggressively optimistic requests.</div><div><br></div><div>On one hand, ARIN does not check this figure.  As such the policy </div><div>change is a no-op.</div><div><br></div><div>On the other hand the 25% utilization goal remains part of the </div><div>policy and having no intention of complying is fraud.</div><div><br></div><div>ARIN could make random checks, or check all of them.<br></div><div><br></div><div>ARIN should check if they have reason to suspect there might</div><div>be fraud.</div><div><br></div><div>I know I worked very hard to get my recent end-user assignment</div><div>over 25% by the deadline.   </div><div><br></div><div>I know in my case the 25% number limited the size of the block.</div><div><br></div><div>I suspect there are a lot of honest organizations / people who are</div><div>trying to do the right thing while maximizing their requested size</div><div>within the constraints of policy.</div><div><br></div><div>So in that respect the policy change is not a no-op.</div><div>It would make it easier for end-sites who want to stay </div><div>in compliance with policy to get more IP space by </div><div>simply optimistically and aggressively accelerating their </div><div>deployment plans by compressing a 5 or 10 year plan into </div><div>two years.  Noting there is no harm, no foul if in two years</div><div>time the plans have changed, or a simply not achieved.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On another topic...  </div><div>Arguments that IPs are being locked up outside of the </div><div>needs assessment and therefor we should remove the </div><div>needs assessment all together suggests we should </div><div>remove speed limits because so many people speed.</div><div><br></div><div>Ignoring the fraud aspect for a moment, stockpiling IP </div><div>addresses that are registered to you is very different </div><div>than a future in terms of risk profile.  Lowering the risk </div><div>will encourage this behavior. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>If the IPs are in the free pool, or available on the transfer</div><div>market doesn't change the fact that the numbers are a </div><div>limited and shared resource whose value comes from </div><div>the insurance that the resource holder has exclusive </div><div>claim to a unique set of numbers.  In fact I would argue</div><div>that the supply of IPs are more limited now then they </div><div>ever were, especially for large blocks, and especially</div><div>for organizations that have been priced out of the </div><div>market and as such stewardship is even more </div><div>important.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Organizations that have "delusions of grandeur" and </div><div>purchase "extra" IPs will not necessarily "pay dearly".</div><div><br></div><div>Sure it is a costly mistake to buy what turns out to be</div><div>a 50 year supply of addresses.  But the real window</div><div>is between the two years which is currently permitted</div><div>and the day when IPv6 has wide spread adoption </div><div>such that a transit provider can offer IPv6-only service</div><div>and their customers are not inconvenienced, and </div><div>content providers can offer IPv6-only service and not </div><div>risk losing customers that cannot reach them.</div><div><br></div><div>The goal is to have enough IPv4 addresses to get </div><div>through the transition period to when there is wide</div><div>spread support of IPv6, and if you can't secure that</div><div>much, than at least more that your competition in a </div><div>given market segment such that you don't have a </div><div>competitive disadvantage of offering a service that</div><div>can reach "most of the internet" and if it can reach</div><div>the IPv4-only Internet is will be through costly, and</div><div>possibly performance and security impacting </div><div>translation middle boxes.</div><div><br></div><div>A small overage such as buying an 8 year supply </div><div>when you only need a 4 year supply is easily </div><div>justified as an insurance policy and preferable</div><div>to having bought a 4 year supply when you needed</div><div>an 8 year supply.</div><div><br></div><div>Nobody complains at the end of the year that they </div><div>wasted a bunch of money on health insurance and </div><div>didn't get sick all year.</div><div><br></div><div>___Jason</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Owen DeLong <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">I see the policy itself largely as a no-op. I have no objection for it going to the board,<div>nor do I have any significant support for it to do so.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Owen</div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On May 12, 2016, at 18:53 , David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">farmer@umn.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Jason,</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Even though the last call period formally ended May 9th, I try my best</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">to consider all feedback received for a policy even following the</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">formal last call deadline, and while I can't speak for directly for</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">other AC members, I believe most of them do the same.  However, when</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">feedback comes in late sometimes it might not get full consideration,</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">especially if it comes in immediately prior to one of our conference</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">calls.  To help avoid this I explicitly noted when AC would be</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">considering the feedback.  I will additionally note at this point it</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">is extremely important to get any additional feedback in ASAP to allow</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">the AC due time for its consideration prior to its May 19th conference</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">call.</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">As for the issues and questions you have raise, I believe John and</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Richard have been answering your questions.  Further, I believe the</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">community consensus remains to move forward with removing the 25%</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Immediate (30 day) use requirement for end users as this policy</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">suggests.  I would specifically ask anyone who disagrees and thinks we</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">need to consider the issues more to speak up ASAP.</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Thanks.</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Jason Schiller <</span><a href="mailto:jschiller@google.com" style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank">jschiller@google.com</a><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">> wrote:</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">I seem to have missed the this thread in last call, and hope you<br>will consider the discussion on the other thread: " Re: [arin-ppml]<br>ARIN-2015-3:(remove 30-day...) Staff interpretation needed"<br><br>I maintain that the 30-day [60-day for transfers] check has<br>been useful in mitigating abusively large requests, and<br>without it there is no teeth in the policy to prevent abuse.<br><br><br>I asked if I was wrong about this, please explain what<br>mechanisms are in place to mitigate an end-user asking for<br>approval for a 10 year supply of addresses on the grounds that<br>if things go really really well, it will only be a 2 year supply?<br><br>I heard no response to indicate there was any mechanism.<br><br><br>I asked staff about information about stats that might help<br>determine what level of push back ARIN provides against two<br>year projected need in general, and if that push back would be<br>sufficient to prevent outlandishly large claims.<br><br>We found that 50% - 75% of all requests are approved with<br>past utilization more heavily weighed.<br><br>It remains unclear what level of oversight ARIN has to<br>question future looking projections.  John Curran provided<br>some text about approvals of future looking projections.<br><br>  "When we [ARIN] ask organization for their forward<br>   projections, we [ARIN] also ask them to provide details<br>  to show how they've arrived at their projections. We [ARIN]<br>  take into account factors such as new networks, locations,<br>  products, services they plan on offering (and this includes<br>  consideration of anticipated address utilization within the<br>  first 30 days for end-users.)<br><br>From the text John provided it seems one could get IP<br>addresses solely on future looking plans which are<br>unverifiable.  As such an end-user could easily get a 10<br>year supply of addresses simply by providing very<br>optimistic deployment plans for the next 24 months.<br><br><br><br>I asked if I was not wrong about this, then did people realize<br>that this policy is basically an end-run around giving out<br>addresses based on need when they voted to move this<br>policy forward?<br><br>I heard no response to this.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>__Jason<br><br><br>On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:45 AM, David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu" target="_blank">farmer@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br>As shepherd for this policy I welcome any additional last call<br>feedback for this policy.  It is especially important to speak up if<br>you feel there are any issues remaining that need to be considered.<br>But, even if you simply support the policy as written that is<br>important and useful feedback as well.<br><br>The last call period formally continues through, Monday, May 9th, and<br>the AC will consider the feedback during its scheduled call on<br>Thursday, May 19th.<br><br>Thanks<br><br>On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 1:38 PM, ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">The ARIN Advisory Council (AC) met on 20 April 2016 and decided to<br>send the following to last call:<br><br> Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization<br>requirement in end-user IPv4 policy<br><br>Feedback is encouraged during the last call period. All comments should<br>be provided to the Public Policy Mailing List. This last call will<br>expire on 9 May 2016. After last call the AC will conduct their<br>last call review.<br><br>The draft policy text is below and available at:<br><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/</a><br><br>The ARIN Policy Development Process is available at:<br><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html</a><br><br>Regards,<br><br>Communications and Member Services<br>American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br><br><br>## * ##<br><br><br>Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3<br>Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy<br><br>AC's assessment of conformance with the Principles of Internet Number<br>Resource Policy:<br><br>ARIN 2015-3 contributes to fair and impartial number resource<br>administration<br>by removing from the NRPM text that is operationally unrealistic for the<br>reasons discussed in the problem statement. This proposal is technically<br>sound, in that the removal of the text will more closely align with the<br>way<br>staff applies the existing policy in relation to 8.3 transfers. There<br>was<br>strong community support for the policy on PPML and at ARIN 36, which<br>was<br>confirmed at ARIN 37. There was a suggestion to replace this text with<br>an<br>alternate requirement. However, the community consensus was to move<br>forward<br>with the removal alone.<br><br>The staff and legal review also suggested removing RFC2050 references<br>and<br>pointed out that 4.2.3.6 has an additional 25% immediate use clause,<br>community feedback was to deal with those issues separately.<br><br>Problem Statement:<br><br>End-user policy is intended to provide end-users with a one year supply<br>of<br>IP addresses. Qualification for a one-year supply requires the network<br>operator to utilize at least 25% of the requested addresses within 30<br>days.<br>This text is unrealistic and should be removed.<br><br>First, it often takes longer than 30 days to stage equipment and start<br>actually using the addresses.<br><br>Second, growth is often not that regimented; the forecast is to use X<br>addresses over the course of a year, not to use 25% of X within 30 days.<br><br>Third, this policy text applies to additional address space requests. It<br>is<br>incompatible with the requirements of other additional address space<br>request<br>justification which indicates that 80% utilization of existing space is<br>sufficient to justify new space. If a block is at 80%, then often<br>(almost<br>always?) the remaining 80% will be used over the next 30 days and<br>longer.<br>Therefore the operator cannot honestly state they will use 25% of the<br>ADDITIONAL space within 30 days of receiving it; they're still trying to<br>use<br>their older block efficiently.<br><br>Fourth, in the face of ARIN exhaustion, some ISPs are starting to not<br>give<br>out /24 (or larger) blocks. So the justification for the 25% rule that<br>previously existed (and in fact, applied for many years) is no longer<br>germane.<br><br>Policy statement:<br><br>Remove the 25% utilization criteria bullet point from NRPM 4.3.3.<br><br>Resulting text:<br><br>4.3.3. Utilization rate<br><br>Utilization rate of address space is a key factor in justifying a new<br>assignment of IP address space. Requesters must show exactly how<br>previous<br>address assignments have been utilized and must provide appropriate<br>details<br>to verify their one-year growth projection.<br><br>The basic criterion that must be met is a 50% utilization rate within<br>one<br>year.<br><br>A greater utilization rate may be required based on individual network<br>requirements. Please refer to RFC 2050 for more information on<br>utilization<br>guidelines.<br><br>Comments:<br><br>a.Timetable for implementation: Immediate<br><br>b.Anything else<br><br>#####<br><br>ARIN STAFF ASSESSMENT<br><br>Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3<br>Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy<br>Date of Assessment: 16 February 2016<br><br>___<br>1. Summary (Staff Understanding)<br><br>This proposal would remove the 25% utilization (within 30 days of<br>issuance)<br>criteria bullet point from NRPM 4.3.3.<br><br>___<br>2. Comments<br><br>A. ARIN Staff Comments<br>This policy would more closely align with the way staff applies the<br>existing<br>policy in relation to 8.3 transfers. Because there is no longer an IPv4<br>free<br>pool and many IPv4 requests are likely to be satisfied by 8.3 transfers,<br>the<br>adoption of this policy should have no major impact on operations and<br>could<br>be implemented as written.<br><br>Note that both NRPM 4.3.3 and NRPM 4.2.3.6 contain references to<br>obsolete<br>RFC 2050. Additionally, 4.2.3.6 references the 25% immediate use (within<br>30<br>days of issuance) requirement.<br><br>Staff suggests removing the first two sentences of 4.2.3.6 to remove the<br>references to RFC 2050 and the 25% requirement. Additionally, staff<br>suggests<br>removing the reference to the obsolete RFC 2050 in section 4.3.3.<br><br>B. ARIN General Counsel – Legal Assessment<br>No material legal risk in this policy.<br><br>___<br>3. Resource Impact<br><br>This policy would have minimal resource impact from an implementation<br>aspect. It is estimated that implementation would occur immediately<br>after<br>ratification by the ARIN Board of Trustees. The following would be<br>needed in<br>order to implement:<br>* Updated guidelines and internal procedures<br>* Staff training<br>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<br></blockquote><br><br><br>--<br>===============================================<br>David Farmer               Email:farmer@<a href="http://umn.edu" target="_blank">umn.edu</a><br>Networking & Telecommunication Services<br>Office of Information Technology<br>University of Minnesota<br>2218 University Ave SE        Phone: <a href="tel:612-626-0815" value="+16126260815" target="_blank">612-626-0815</a><br>Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029   Cell: <a href="tel:612-812-9952" value="+16128129952" target="_blank">612-812-9952</a><br>===============================================<br>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<br></blockquote><br><br><br><br>--<br>_______________________________________________________<br>Jason Schiller|NetOps|<a href="mailto:jschiller@google.com" target="_blank">jschiller@google.com</a>|<a href="tel:571-266-0006" value="+15712660006" target="_blank">571-266-0006</a><br><br></blockquote><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">--<span> </span></span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">===============================================</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">David Farmer               Email:</span><a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu" style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank">farmer@umn.edu</a><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Networking & Telecommunication Services</s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