<div dir="ltr">Yes, as Owen points out this is a separate discussion, and should have it's own thread.<div><br></div><div>on the "[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2016-1: Reserved Pool Transfer Policy" thread</div><div><a href="mailto:gary.buhrmaster@gmail.com">gary.buhrmaster@gmail.com</a> posted a discussion of setting up a reserved pool <br></div><div>to enable renumbering and transfers. That email is now lost in this thread.</div><div><br></div><div>I have included it here:</div><div><br></div><div><div>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Gary Buhrmaster <<a href="mailto:gary.buhrmaster@gmail.com">gary.buhrmaster@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:</div><div>> ....</div><div>> > I’d be OK with this, but given that there is remaining free pool for these resources, </div><div>> > I’m not sure that it isn’t better to have a clear policy that when the resources in these </div><div>> > categories are no longer needed, voluntary return to ARIN is expected.</div><div>></div><div>> On Monday, there was discussion (during policy experience report)</div><div>> about ARIN not being able to provide "theoretical" pre-qualifications</div><div>> in the case where (in the example) you transfer a /16 to someone,</div><div>> and would want to get a /24 from somewhere else. And while most</div><div>> steeped in the ARIN process understand that qualifying is an almost</div><div>> certainty, that does not take it to the level some seem to need to feel</div><div>> entirely comfortable.</div><div>></div><div>> As far as this proposal, I can imagine there to be cases were a transfer</div><div>> may only make sense if the receiving org can be assured that they will</div><div>> be able to get the IP numbers from a reserved pool which ARIN cannot</div><div>> make assurance on in advance. And while (as before) everyone may be</div><div>> (almost) 100% sure that the recipient will qualify, that does not always</div><div>> make everyone sufficiently comfortable.</div><div>></div><div>> It would seem to be nice for a 8.3 transfer which happens to include</div><div>> reserved pool space not turn into another policy experience report</div><div>> bullet for not being able to successfully transfer (worst case?) "CI"</div><div>> space if indeed the recipient would otherwise qualify (and potentially</div><div>> force a renumber of such resources for no particular policy reason).</div><div>></div><div>> I do agree with Owen that these cases are unlikely. And regardless</div><div>> of whether the (what I think is) better language as proposed by Scott</div><div>> is included, I would support the policy moving forward to address</div><div>> the problem statement.</div></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Owen DeLong <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This is a conflating of two different discussions.<br>
<br>
The information below is about a new discussion where a resource holder wants to obtain<br>
a smaller block pre-approval prior to transferring out their larger block.<br>
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It has nothing to do with 2016-1 or reserved pool addresses.<br>
<br>
Owen<br>
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> On May 8, 2016, at 15:55 , Michael Peddemors <<a href="mailto:michael@linuxmagic.com">michael@linuxmagic.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On 16-05-05 01:09 PM, Jason Schiller wrote:<br>
>> I would go s far as to direct ARIN staff to provide provisional approval.<br>
>> The process would look like this:<br>
>><br>
>> Customer: ARIN, I have a /16. I am currently using 200 IPs as<br>
>> documented below.<br>
>> I would be willing to sell my /16 and replace it with a /24 if I can be<br>
>> assured that I<br>
>> will be approved to get a /24.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> That probably isn't a good example, if the person is only using 200 IP(s) from a /16, ARIN should recover the unused IP(s)..<br>
><br>
> ARIN could in that case recover most of it, and leave him with a /22 for instance..<br>
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