<div dir="ltr">I oppose as written.<div><br></div><div>I opposed ARIN-2015-3 and I oppose this draft policy on the same grounds. </div><div>I support simplifying some transfers and keeping the more complicated old rules for others in general...</div><div><br></div><div>However, the policy as written requires no<span style="font-size:12.8px"> real, tangible, and verifiable claim. Without such a check justified need for transfers simply becomes a 2 year future looking projection, and with sufficient arm waving an easy end run around justified need.</span></div><div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">I could certainly get on board if there were some other tangible and verifiable claim to show there was a real commitment to use half the address space within two years.</div></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">I choose Scott's email to reply to because I like his approach in general.</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div style="font-size:12.8px">1. Make an agreement to acquire addresses in the quantity you believe you need.</div><div style="font-size:12.8px">2. If that agreement brings your total address holdings to less than 2x your current or 24-month projected usage, get easy approval for the transfer from ARIN under the <span style="font-size:12.8px">Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers defined in this draft policy.</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">3. Skip the LOA and ongoing legal stuff.</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">4. Use the addresses.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I would suggest a slight modification and a slight clarification.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><span class="" style="font-size:12.8px"><font color="#888888"></font></span></div><div><div style="font-size:12.8px">1. Make an agreement to acquire addresses in the quantity you believe you need.</div><div style="font-size:12.8px">2. If that agreement brings your total address holdings to less than 2x your current holdings </div><div style="font-size:12.8px"> And your current holdings are > 80% utilized in aggregate and no less that 50% per resource,</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"> then you qualify for a simplified transfer.</div><div style="font-size:12.8px">3. You can still qualify for a two year supply under the current unsimplified policy</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"> You can get twice your last year's run rate </div><div style="font-size:12.8px"> if your current holding are > 80% utilization in aggregate <span style="font-size:12.8px">and no less that 50% per resource,</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">4. Sign an RSA</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">5. Use the addresses</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Note: sources of a transfer still:</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">- must be the current (dispute free) registered holder of the IPv4 address space</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">- must not have received a transfer, allocation or assignment from ARIN in the last year </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"> (not including M&A)</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">- minimum /24</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Neither Scott's nor my approach here deal with organizations that have no resources.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I (and MJ) tried a more complicated version of this as ARIN-2014-20.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Scott, do you want to consider my (friendly) amendment and draft some text? </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Do you want to consider what to do for organizations with no resources?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">___Jason</span></div></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Scott Leibrand <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com" target="_blank">scottleibrand@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I believe we should make it easy to:<div><br></div><div>1. Make an agreement to acquire addresses in the quantity you believe you need.</div><div>2. If that agreement brings your total address holdings to less than 2x your current or 24-month projected usage, get easy approval for the transfer from ARIN under the <span style="font-size:12.8px">Simplified requirements for demonstrated need for IPv4 transfers defined in this draft policy.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">3. Skip the LOA and ongoing legal stuff.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">4. Use the addresses.</span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">-Scott</span></div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Martin Hannigan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com" target="_blank">hannigan@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Scott Leibrand <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com" target="_blank">scottleibrand@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Reducing the burden on ARIN staff is not part of the problem statement for this proposal (though it might be a side effect, depending on how they implement it). The main goal here is to reduce the administrative burden on organizations who need to acquire IPv4 space via transfer. That burden may actually be higher for smaller entities who don't have experience with and processes in place for jumping through ARIN's hoops.<div><br></div><div>I don't think this policy would have much impact on the ability of large well-funded entities to purchase as much address space as they like. Currently, those organizations simply write a contract that gives them full rights to the address space they're buying, and allows them to transfer the space with ARIN whenever they are ready to put it into use on their network (or can otherwise pass ARIN's needs justification tests).<span><font color="#888888"><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></font></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br><br></div></span><div>Let me give you a real world example.<br><br></div><div>1. Buy rights to use addresses in any quantity you believe you need<br></div><div>2. Use those addresses as you need them, assuming the agreement you made with the party works properly<br></div><div>3. Get an LOA from the documented owner<br></div><div>4. Bypass ARIN entirely<br></div><div>5. Use the addresses.<br><br></div><div>How do you think we should solve that problem?<br><br><br></div><div>Best,<br><br></div><div>-M<<br><br><br> <br></div></div></div></div>
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