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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">That’s just billing buckets then, not really based on actual transfer activity. Maybe it will help to look at more relevant data?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">ARIN staff watching - could you point me to any published statistics for transfers over the past 18 months, or if not could you generate them and share? I’m thinking this is a good start:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:#1F497D">Number of transfers requests for each block size for 8.3 and 8.4 transfers which completed. e.g. “/20 = qty 15, /19 = qty 5, /18 = qty 10”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:#1F497D">Number of transfers requests for each block size for 8.3 and 8.4 transfers which were closed without completion, specifically where need was not met<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I’m only asking for 8.3 and 8.4 because 8.2 doesn’t have the same type of needs demonstration burden (only as usage demonstration).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">----<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Dani Roisman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Bill Buhler [mailto:bill@tknow.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 30, 2015 09:35<br>
<b>To:</b> Dani Roisman <droisman@softlayer.com>; arin-ppml@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Based on the ARIN fee table of ISP classification:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">/20 is the max allocation size of a X-Small ISP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">/22 is the max allocation size of a XX-Small End User.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So there is a slight bias towards small ISPs, but they are in less of a position to leverage NAT.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Bill Buhler<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Dani Roisman [<a href="mailto:droisman@softlayer.com">mailto:droisman@softlayer.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 30, 2015 4:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>; Bill Buhler<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi Bill,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I’m interested to learn how you came up with the below proposed netblock sizes “/20 if a ISP or /22 for an end user” ? Is there data behind that? If not, does it make sense to ask ARIN to supply data regarding sizes of transfers which
have occurred in the past 12 - 18 months?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">--<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Dani Roisman<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">________________________________<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: "Bill Buhler" <<a href="mailto:bill@tknow.com%3cmailto:bill@tknow.com">bill@tknow.com<mailto:bill@tknow.com</a>>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: "owen" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com%3cmailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com<mailto:owen@delong.com</a>>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Cc: <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net%3cmailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">
arin-ppml@arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 12:59:30 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">OK, how about this:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Small end users and ISPs are allowed to obtain IPv4 address blocks without a needs test as long as the following criteria are met:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">a. The total size of their ARIN allocations at any time of the process does not exceed a /20 if a ISP or /22 for an end user.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">b. They cannot purchase IP address from the transfer market more than three total times to reach this size, including the initial operation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">c. None of the addresses purchased can be transferred to any other entity for twenty-four months following the date of the last transfer.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">d. If the company ceases operations within the twenty-four month window the addresses are automatically transferred to the ARIN free pool. After that period of time regular transfer rights exist.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">e. All subsequent allocations / transfers require regular needs testing after the initial twenty-four month allocation window.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">f. Eligible entities for this policy consist of ISPs and End users who have a unique physical address in the ARIN region at the suite level. Meaning if two companies share the same suite they are not eligible to both have ARIN
allocations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I believe that meets all of your concerns. I would prefer companies get everything they think they will need in one operation, but I don?t want to have fear drive them into buying the max amount just in case.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Bill Buhler<o:p></o:p></p>
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