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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">It appears to me that you are still trying to somehow save IPv4 from exhaustion. That horse is out of the barn and gone.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Sprunk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 25, 2015 3:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 25-Sep-15 12:48, Steven Ryerse wrote:<br>
> Owens comment from below:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> “2. To the extent that there is supply, anyone who needs addresses<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> can get them already. Needs-based evaluation does not prevent those<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> with need from getting addresses… It prevents those without need from<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> getting them.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> Owen’s comment is absolutely false!!!!! It allows large organizing<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> who request resources to get what they need or something smaller. It<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> allows medium size organizations who request resources to get what<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> they need or something smaller. It allows small organizations who<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> request resources to get what they need or nothing, and there is no<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> other source to get resources if ARIN rejects a request, but the open<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> market which Owen and others seem to wish did not exist!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> It is time to fix this inequity and removing needs tests would be a<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> big help to small organizations who really need resources!<o:p></o:p></p>
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If they actually need the resources, then a needs-based policy does not present an obstacle. Where's the problem?<br>
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However, not having such a policy will mean that folks who _don't_ need resources can also get them, which makes the (IPv4) scarcity problem even worse than it already is. That benefits speculators at the expense of those who actually need resources.<br>
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You appear to be arguing against your stated interests.<br>
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S<br>
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-- <br>
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein<br>
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the<br>
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking<o:p></o:p></p>
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