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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/20/2015 2:05 PM, David Huberman
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_MailEndCompose">Hi Bill,<o:p></o:p></a></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Still against it because it still
applies to out-region transfers where ARIN no</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> longer has access to it and CAN NOT
revoke it for fraud when the attestation</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> turns out to be untrue.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">So I get what
you're saying. And you're right. You and I petition ARIN,
attest<br>
that we forecast to use a /X, we're lying, and we transfer
it out of the region and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">ARIN is done
with it - ARIN has no control over the block transferred
out.</span></p>
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<br>
That is true today. ARIN does not have any control over how IP
blocks are used (or transferred) today.<br>
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Which is why I'm supportive of this policy... it makes the right
thing (recording a transfer properly in the ARIN database) happen.<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">The
disagreement I have with this view is that I don't want us
making policy that<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">punishes the
99.9% of people who are telling the truth and just want to
run their<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">network, so
that we can somehow "catch" the 0.01% of the scammers. I
prefer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">making policy
which works well for bona fide network operators. People
will always<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">lie, and I do
not believe it’s ARIN’s job to catch that.</span></p>
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Also agree... writing policy to try to block the wrongdoers always
makes it harder for the legitimate users... which is the group ARIN
should be supporting.<br>
<br>
Matthew Kaufman<br>
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