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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I agree with Matthew. +1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew Kaufman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 20, 2015 6:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Thoughts on 2015-7<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 8/20/2015 2:05 PM, David Huberman wrote:<span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><a name="_MailEndCompose">Hi Bill,</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Still against it because it still applies to out-region transfers where ARIN no<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> longer has access to it and CAN NOT revoke it for fraud when the attestation<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> turns out to be untrue.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">So I get what you're saying. And you're right. You and I petition ARIN, attest<br>
that we forecast to use a /X, we're lying, and we transfer it out of the region and<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">ARIN is done with it - ARIN has no control over the block transferred out.<o:p></o:p></p>
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That is true today. ARIN does not have any control over how IP blocks are used (or transferred) today.<br>
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Which is why I'm supportive of this policy... it makes the right thing (recording a transfer properly in the ARIN database) happen.<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">The disagreement I have with this view is that I don't want us making policy that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">punishes the 99.9% of people who are telling the truth and just want to run their<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">network, so that we can somehow "catch" the 0.01% of the scammers. I prefer<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">making policy which works well for bona fide network operators. People will always<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">lie, and I do not believe it’s ARIN’s job to catch that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Also agree... writing policy to try to block the wrongdoers always makes it harder for the legitimate users... which is the group ARIN should be supporting.<br>
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Matthew Kaufman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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