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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">We are an ISP.<br>
Will 4 different non-contiguous blocks be counted as 1 or 4 blocks
for fees.<br>
Or is the block count the total of all combined /24's that we
would get allocated?<br>
So a /22 (or 4 /24's) plus a /40 plus ASN for an ISP would be
$500 annually?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/11/2015 11:22 PM, Jason Schiller wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">For ISPs a /22 is billed at XX-small at $500
annually.
<div>(this includes ASNs and membership vote)<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>adding up to a /40 keeps the ISP in the XX-small category
and does not change the annual fee.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>An IPv4 /32 bumps the ISP up to a small with an annual
fee of $2,000. (a $1,500 increase).</div>
<div>(If the ISP already had more than a /20 there would be no
increase in fees)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>End sites are billed differently </div>
<div>End sites pay $100 per resource. </div>
<div>one /22 costs $100.</div>
<div>two /24s cost $200.</div>
<div>one /20, two /23s, and two ASNs cost $500 annually.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There is an additional one time fee for new resources
based on the size of the resource.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So an end user with one /22 and one ASN the annual fee is
$200.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There is a one time initial fee of of $500 for a single
block that is a /40 or smaller</div>
<div>(this is in addition to the $200 annual fee for IPv4 and
ASN) </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The following year the annual fee will go up by $100 for
a total of $300.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>___Jason</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:35 PM, David
Huberman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:David.Huberman@microsoft.com" target="_blank">David.Huberman@microsoft.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="14f1fc3e75e3e168__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hi
Josh,</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If
you have a /21 allocation from ARIN, then you are
paying them $1,000 a year in a subscription fee.
That covers your AS number, and your /21, and it
gives you membership to vote.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If
you want, you can request a /36 of IPv6 from ARIN,
and it will come at no extra charge. There will be
no registration fee, and your annual subscription
fee will not change.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">From
an engineering perspective, many of us do not
recommend that. We recommend getting the full
default prefix size – a /32 – and deploying that.
Unfortunately, that will cause your annual
subscription fee with ARIN to double to $2,000. You
still won’t pay a registration fee for getting the
/32, but when your next annual bill is sent, it will
be for $2,000 rather than $1,000.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Please
keep in mind that the only realistic way I know of
to get more IPv4 addresses for your new products and
customers is via the IPv4 transfer market, and
that’s going to cost many, many times more than ARIN
charges. Many tens of thousands of dollars,
probably, depending on what you want to get. You
may wish to balance the cost of obtaining more IPv4
addresses in the market with what revenue
opportunities those addresses represent, then factor
in how you can (or cannot) leverage IPv6 to make
those numbers work better for you. Just a
suggestion, and sorry if I’m overstepping.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">David</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">David
R Huberman</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br>
Principal, Global IP Addressing</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Microsoft
Corporation</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif;"> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:josh@rowenetworks.com" target="_blank">josh@rowenetworks.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><span class=""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Automatic
IPv6 Eligibility</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Well
here's my scenario. My ISP is in the process of
acquiring another ISP, I wrote into arin for advice
of how to go about requesting additional ip space as
the acquisition will take more IP addresses then
what we have left out of our current /21 allotment.</p>
<div>
<div class="h5"><br>
<br>
I was advised to apply asap however with the
depletion procedures/protocols it didn't seem
likely to quickly be able to get enough blocks
from the free pool.<br>
<br>
If an existing service provider such as myself
would be able to get a free ipv6 allocation I
would agree it would help transition to ipv6
faster as I need more IPs for my customers,
infrastructure, etc.
<br>
<br>
I'd at least be more willing to try to make it
work for my customer ip space since there would be
little or no cost involved, now the problem that
remains is the equipment compatibility and third
party support of ipv6.<br>
<br>
Is it possible to still get a block to use for my
ISP for $100/yr? <br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
Josh Rowe <br>
<br>
</div>
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<div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal">On August 11, 2015 10:11:40
PM EDT, Randy Carpenter <<a href="mailto:rcarpen@network1.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rcarpen@network1.net" target="_blank">rcarpen@network1.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<pre style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">----- On Aug 11, 2015, at 8:43 PM, Seth Mattinen <a href="mailto:sethm@rollernet.us" target="_blank">sethm@rollernet.us</a> wrote:</pre>
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<pre> On 8/11/15 14:43, Alfie Cleveland wrote:</pre>
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<pre> Hello,
I’m requesting comment in regards to automatically make organisations
eligible for IPv6 if they hold justified IPv4 space. This similar to
Section 9.3.1. of the [APNIC-127] APNIC Internet Number Resource
Policies. I feel that if organisations were able to receive a /48 for
each /24 they hold, then it would help expedite the rollout of IPv6.
Organisations currently have two choices - continue to use IPv4, or
spend valuable time on applying for IPv6 space. IPv6 space is clearly in
abundance - and this could potentially help slo</pre>
<pre> w the</pre>
<pre>exhaustion of IPv4.</pre>
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<pre>
I got my /32 IPv6 allocation in late 2009 and end user /48 in 2007 and I
don't remember having to do much to qualify for them other than ask. Has
this changed?</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre>No. If you have IPv4 space already, it is incredibly easy to get IPv6. Getting the default /48 as an end-user is about as automatic as it could be, and qualifying for more is not much more effort if you have multiple sites.
The only issue is that for end-users, you now have to pay an additional $100 per year for the IPv6 assignment.
-Randy</pre>
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