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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">And so we're back to John's question of
weeks ago: why is "needs basis" the right test in a transfer-only
world? As he pointed out, if we'd started only with transfers, it
would have been an extremely unlikely means of regulation.<br>
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Is it simply because "the community" (all dozen or so, I gather)
is so familiar with needs testing that it has become a comfortable
religious fallback?<br>
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Matthew Kaufman<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:matthew@matthew.at">matthew@matthew.at</a><br>
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On 6/23/2015 5:39 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:<br>
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I am opposed to this proposal.
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<div class="">It is yet another attempt to chip away at needs
basis by those seeking to provide for unlimited and unrestricted
transfers.</div>
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<div class="">The community has repeatedly indicated that the
preservation of needs basis is important and virtually every
proposal</div>
<div class="">seeking to eliminate it has been rebuffed by the
community.</div>
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<div class="">This proposal should, IMHO, be recognized for what
it is… A clear effort to reduce the needs-basis requirements for
transfers.</div>
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<div class="">On Jun 23, 2015, at 17:31 , Scott Leibrand
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:20
PM, Matthew Kaufman <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a
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class="">On 6/23/2015 1:06 PM, ARIN wrote:<br
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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Policy ARIN-2015-7<br class="">
Simplified requirements for demonstrated need
for IPv4 transfers<br class="">
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I support this policy, but would be even happier
if we simply had a trigger that said "when ARIN is
out of IPv4 addresses, this simplified policy
replaces all other tests for IPv4 transfers and
the other sections are inactive until such time as
ARIN has a new large free pool of IPv4 addresses
(never)"</blockquote>
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<div class="gmail_extra">The main reason we didn't write
a replacement for section 4 is this: <br class="">
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style="font-size:12.8000001907349px" class="">Organizations
that do not meet the simplified criteria above may
instead demonstrate the need for number resources
using the criteria in section 4 of the NRPM.</span></blockquote>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><span
style="font-size:12.8000001907349px" class="">There
will likely be some sections of the community who
feel that their particular need for IPv4 is better
met under section 4 than under this simplified
policy. Rather than trying to identify every such
need and write in exceptions, I felt it would be
better to first allow everyone using the transfer
market to opt out of section 4 entirely, and then
once we have some experience with which requests
actually still end up using section 4, we will have
some data on which parts of it we need to keep and
which can be eliminated in a simplification cleanup
proposal.</span></div>
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style="font-size:12.8000001907349px" class="">-Scott</span></div>
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