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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">And so we're back to John's question of
      weeks ago: why is "needs basis" the right test in a transfer-only
      world? As he pointed out, if we'd started only with transfers, it
      would have been an extremely unlikely means of regulation.<br>
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      Is it simply because "the community" (all dozen or so, I gather)
      is so familiar with needs testing that it has become a comfortable
      religious fallback?<br>
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      Matthew Kaufman<br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:matthew@matthew.at">matthew@matthew.at</a><br>
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      On 6/23/2015 5:39 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:<br>
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      I am opposed to this proposal.
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      <div class="">It is yet another attempt to chip away at needs
        basis by those seeking to provide for unlimited and unrestricted
        transfers.</div>
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      <div class="">The community has repeatedly indicated that the
        preservation of needs basis is important and virtually every
        proposal</div>
      <div class="">seeking to eliminate it has been rebuffed by the
        community.</div>
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      <div class="">This proposal should, IMHO, be recognized for what
        it is… A clear effort to reduce the needs-basis requirements for
        transfers.</div>
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      <div class="">Owen</div>
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            <div class="">On Jun 23, 2015, at 17:31 , Scott Leibrand
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:20
                    PM, Matthew Kaufman <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a
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                        class="">matthew@matthew.at</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br class="">
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                        class="">On 6/23/2015 1:06 PM, ARIN wrote:<br
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0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Draft
                          Policy ARIN-2015-7<br class="">
                          Simplified requirements for demonstrated need
                          for IPv4 transfers<br class="">
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                      I support this policy, but would be even happier
                      if we simply had a trigger that said "when ARIN is
                      out of IPv4 addresses, this simplified policy
                      replaces all other tests for IPv4 transfers and
                      the other sections are inactive until such time as
                      ARIN has a new large free pool of IPv4 addresses
                      (never)"</blockquote>
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                <div class="gmail_extra">The main reason we didn't write
                  a replacement for section 4 is this: <br class="">
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                    style="font-size:12.8000001907349px" class="">Organizations
                    that do not meet the simplified criteria above may
                    instead demonstrate the need for number resources
                    using the criteria in section 4 of the NRPM.</span></blockquote>
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                <div class="gmail_extra"><span
                    style="font-size:12.8000001907349px" class="">There
                    will likely be some sections of the community who
                    feel that their particular need for IPv4 is better
                    met under section 4 than under this simplified
                    policy.  Rather than trying to identify every such
                    need and write in exceptions, I felt it would be
                    better to first allow everyone using the transfer
                    market to opt out of section 4 entirely, and then
                    once we have some experience with which requests
                    actually still end up using section 4, we will have
                    some data on which parts of it we need to keep and
                    which can be eliminated in a simplification cleanup
                    proposal.</span></div>
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                <div class="gmail_extra"><span
                    style="font-size:12.8000001907349px" class="">-Scott</span></div>
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