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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi Owen,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I don't mind staff assistance and differentiate
staff from AC members, also.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>In this case it was a little more than "assistance"
out the outset, ("Tell me the words you'd accept")..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>As it developed it was clear that Mr. Herrin
would provide more than that, which I found acceptable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Mike</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=owen@delong.com href="mailto:owen@delong.com">Owen DeLong</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mike@iptrading.com
href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com">Mike Burns</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=jschiller@google.com
href="mailto:jschiller@google.com">Jason Schiller</A> ; <A
title=arin-ppml@arin.net
href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 07, 2015 11:27
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML
2015-2</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I don’t see any problem with ARIN staff assisting an author in
crafting language that will yield the desired staff interpretation.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>What do you see as the problem, exactly? (I’ll note that I think your
description of what John offered differs from what was actually offered which
I believe is more accurately described above).</DIV>
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<DIV>Owen</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jun 5, 2015, at 12:36 , Mike Burns <<A
href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com">mike@iptrading.com</A>> wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi
Jason,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
do object to John Curran writing a policy proposal to be submitted to the
community under another person’s name.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">It
just seems wrong to me but I could be alone in that
thought.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Regards,<BR>Mike<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Jason Schiller [<A
href="mailto:jschiller@google.com">mailto:jschiller@google.com</A>]<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Friday, June 05, 2015 3:30
PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Mike
Burns<BR><B>Cc:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>William
Herrin; John Curran; <A
href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</A><BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML
2015-2<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Mike, <O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">If
you object, I'm sure an AC member can be found to craft some text, and get
staff and legal assessment.<O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">FWIW,
if you like this restriction, I think the rjletts approach catches it
all:<O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If
target registry does not allow transfers out of their RIR then</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="TEXT-INDENT: 0.5in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">reject
transfer to target registry</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If
target registry allows transfers out of their RIR to any other registry that
does not allow transfers out of their RIR then</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="TEXT-INDENT: 0.5in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">reject
transfer to target registry</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">else</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">
accept the transfer</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">WRT
this restriction and compatible <SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(80,0,80); FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt">needs-based policies, you may
want to do the same...</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If
target registry does not allow transfers out of their RIR then</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="TEXT-INDENT: 0.5in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">reject
transfer to target registry</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If
target registry allows transfers out of their RIR to any other registry that
either</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">
1. does not have a compatible needs
based policy </SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">
OR 2. does not allow transfers out of their RIR
then</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV
style="TEXT-INDENT: 0.5in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">reject
transfer to target registry</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">else</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">
accept the transfer</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt"></SPAN> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">FWIW,
its not just NIRs, I believe you could transfer IPs from ARIN to APNIC, and
then from APNIC to RIPE.<O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">__Jason<O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On
Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Mike Burns <<A
style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" target=_blank>mike@iptrading.com</A>>
wrote:<O:P></O:P></DIV>
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me the words you'd accept as requiring transfer reciprocity
and<BR>compatibility go beyond lip service and I'll advance those words.
Else<BR>suffer the continued wagging of my finger.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Bill
Herrin<BR><BR><BR>Well, now, I think that's a bit too much participation
to ask of ARIN's<BR>president. I support continued
finger-wagging.<BR>Regards,<BR>Mike<O:P></O:P></DIV>
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