<html><head></head><body>John, you've used language to obfuscate David's point, which is that ARIN does not *allow* *transfers* of IP address space between entities.<br>
ARIN does set out policies that participating members must abide by, but since a) we have evidence that transfer market participants exist who basically ignore ARIN entirely, b) these participants do engage in meaningful transfer of IP resources, and c) ARIN has (AFAIK) no legal mandate to pursue these non-participating transferring entities, then ARIN cannot logically claim to be allowing or denying transfers.<br>
ARIN does choose to allow or disallow transfers to happen inside its policy framework, but that's not the same thing as allowing or denying the substantive transfer in the first place.<br>
AFAICT, IANAL.<br>
-Adam<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On June 1, 2015 6:48:27 PM CDT, John Curran <jcurran@arin.net> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">On Jun 1, 2015, at 7:30 PM, David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br /> I'll ask again (since you conveniently ignored the question):<br /> <br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> Historically, the point of the registry database was to facilitate management<br /> of the network, e.g., a place you could look up registration information<br /> when you wanted to contact the entity associated with the source address.<br /> In the post IPv4 free pool world, what's the point of the American _Registry_<br /> for Internet Numbers again?<br /></blockquote></blockquote> <br /> In your earlier message, you appear to be asserting that a
biding
by ARIN policies is a requirement for a 'transfer' to occur. This strikes me as a very dangerous (not to mention hubristic) assumption. Transfers will and do occur, regardless of ARIN policies. The only thing ARIN can do is choose to acknowledge or ignore those transfers. Failure to acknowledge transfers is detrimental to the accuracy of the registry. I strongly believe the purpose of the registry system is to act as a registry to accurately reflect the correct attribution of use of address space. If ARIN is not going to perform this function, can you suggest some entity that will?<br /></blockquote><br />David -<br /><br /> Your confusion is likely over what represents “correct attribution” - if ARIN does not<br /> operate the registry according to the policies set by those who use it, then there is<br /> no doubt that the contents are not correct. If ARIN operates the registry as set by<br /> the community, and some in the community wish to transfer contrary
to the
existing<br /> policies, then ARIN is obligated to not allow a transfer since we serve the registry<br /> community.<br /><br /> One can argue that the ARIN community shouldn’t have policies that inhibit transfers<br /> (I’ll refrain from participating in that, since I serve the community, not develop policy)<br /> but I don’t think you’re actually advocating that ARIN ignore community policy in the<br /> operation of the registry? Could you please clarify if that is what you are suggesting?<br /><br />Thanks!<br />/John<br /><br />John Curran<br />President and CEO<br />ARIN<br /><br /><br /></pre><p style="margin-top: 2.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; border-bottom: 1px solid #000"></p><pre class="k9mail"><hr /><br />PPML<br />You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br />the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net).<br />Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br /><a
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