<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 28, 2015, at 6:46 AM, Jason Schiller <<a href="mailto:jschiller@google.com" class="">jschiller@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><p dir="ltr" class="">Owen,</p><p dir="ltr" class="">How does that differ from the policy text I sent?</p><p dir="ltr" class="">Can you send an idea of policy text?</p><p dir="ltr" class="">I thought the text I sent said that an ARIN org can transfer IPs out to another wholely owned subsidiary in another RIR region if they have been the recipient of transfer in less that 12 months IF the recipient org will be required (read by recipient's RIR policy) to hold the transfered resource for the balance of the 12 months.</p><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote>Your proposal allows substitution.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>ARIN->Other RIR space A</div><div>Space B Other RIR-> Money/etc.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I want to see substitution transfers prohibited.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><p dir="ltr" class="">___Jason</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 28, 2015 8:31 AM, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Or simply not permit it under ARIN policy until such exists.<br class="">
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> On May 28, 2015, at 1:49 PM, John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" class="">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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> On May 27, 2015, at 11:39 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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>> My suggestion is that I don't mind (virtually) unrestricted moves of addresses to different regions staying with the same organization. However, if we are to allow that, I want us to find a way that you can't merely use that as a way to move addresses out of flip protection to then flip them to another organization via an RIR with a less restrictive transfer policy.<br class="">
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>> So... If you transfer addresses to another region, keeping them in the same organization, no penalty. However, you are not allowed to subsequently transfer them (or other addresses in that region) to an external party for at least 12 months.<br class="">
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> another RIR, i.e. it requires them having some explicit policy to that effect.<br class="">
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> To obtain the result you seek, we either need globally coordinated transfer<br class="">
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