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<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">Thanks, John, for engaging on the substantive issues. I welcome your response as part of the needed
dialogue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Counsel is claiming that ICP-2 requires all usage of numbers to be bound to exclusive RIR service regions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Milton - <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Please provide reference for your statement above; <span style="color:#1F497D">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">MM: When Counsel says “This policy would result in ARIN effectively providing registry services to other regions” and “each RIR should serve its region” I don’t think it is unreasonable
to interpret that as meaning that all number services should be obtained from the RIR where the numbers will be used.
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<p class="MsoNormal">This policy would allow entities with no real connection to the ARIN's <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">service region to obtain, for example, increasingly scarce IPv4 <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">resources from ARIN and related registry services.<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:1.0in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">MM: My response showed that this was a false claim, and it is interesting that you did not challenge this.
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<p class="MsoNormal"> The paragraphs notes that providing resources which are for use entirely out of region <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> may be inconsistent with ICP-2; it makes no statement that _all usage_ of ARIN-issued <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> resources are bound to the service region. Note that organizations that receive numbers <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> resources presently from ARIN often do make some use of them in other regions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">MM: Does this mean that both you and the Counsel are not claiming that all usage of numbers must be bound to the service region? I hope so.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">Please explain why this is not inconsistent with Counsel’s interpretation of ICP-2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> The statement in the staff and legal assessment is with regarding to issuing number <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> resources to a party where it is clear that they are solely for use outside the ARIN <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> service region, i.e. this is not a case of incidental use, or someone repurposing an<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> address block, but instead ARIN knowingly providing registry services and resources<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> to other region. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">MM: As you should know, the policy requires some presence in the region. It is designed to aid organizations
that want one-stop shopping. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> You are correct - ICP-2 does not articulate any policy regarding _use_ of number <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> resources outside of a RIR’s service region, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">MM: Good, I am glad we can agree on that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:4.8pt"> however, ICP-2 does identify issues <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> that can result from RIRs operating in the same region and thus supports the <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> actual statements which are within the staff and legal assessment. i.e. to the effect<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> that adoption of 2014-1 draft policy would result in ARIN effectively providing registry <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> services to other regions, it would appears on its face to be inconsistent with the <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> intent and language of ICP-2, as follows below - <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">MM: Both you and counsel keep ignoring the requirement for some kind of presence and established relationship
with ARIN. Please re-read the staff assessment, which says: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">“</span>There are registrants in the ARIN region, such as end-users, who are not necessarily ARIN members.
The policy text has been updated to omit references to ‘Member’, and is understood to refer to organizations with an existing customer relationship & agreement with ARIN.” <span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">MM: As for this:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"Each region should be served by a single RIR, established under one management and in one location. The establishment of multiple RIRs in one region is likely to lead to:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">• fragmentation of address space allocated to the region; <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">• difficulty for co-ordination and co-operation between the RIRs; <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">• confusion for the community within the region.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">MM: Remember, ICP-2 was written to deal with the establishment of new RIRs. I would agree that creating
a new RIR that serves, say, Kansas and Nebraska and giving it a distinct set of number blocks to distribute would fragment the distribution of address space. But that Is not what this policy (2014-1) is proposing. ICP-2 is basically not the right standard
to use in assessing this policy. You and Counsel have seized on it in an attempt to find an argument for regional exclusivity, but it is not the right instrument. If you want a global policy that says RIRs must confine address distribution to entities mainly
in their region, go create one. It doesn’t exist yet. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Now it is possible that ICP-2 is rather dated and could use to be refreshed to look <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> forward to the future which there is not significant new address allocations being <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> made every day and where inter-RIR transfers already pose similar issues; however, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> that is probably a much larger discussion and ICP-2 stands as-is in the meantime.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">As I said, ICP-2 does not say anything definitive about the issue we are debating in 2014-1. Please
stop using it for that purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">- ICP-2 is not a law, and thus raises no legal issues;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> ARIN’s compliance with its agreements to other parties can result in legal issues for <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> ARIN, and ARIN has an agreement with ICANN (ASO MOU) which directly incorporates <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> and references ICP-2.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">MM: OK, so we’ve agreed that you will stop calling it a global policy. But as I said, ICP-2 does not
bear on the issues raised by 2014-1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> It would be helpful to understand if you feel that there is no or nominal risk to the ARIN <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> community to setting aside the principles contained in ICP-2; if that is the case, then it<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">MM: You misunderstand my position, which is that ICP-2 does not establish any principles regarding out
of region use policies of existing RIRs. ICP-2 establishes criteria for the establishment of new RIRs. Is it your position that 2014-1 is establishing a new RIR?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">Here is what I have concluded from our exchange:
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Neither you nor the Counsel are claiming that all usage of numbers must be bound to the service region<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">You are not refuting or contesting my claim that the legal assessment mistakenly asserted that the policy would allow entities with “no real connection” to the ARIN
region to use it as a registry.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-family:Symbol;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">We have agreed that ICP-2 is not a global policy, but you do consider it binding as part of
the ASO MoU<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-family:Symbol;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">You still think ICP-2 is relevant to 2014-1, and I don’t.
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