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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Gary,<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">That resonates with me. I agree with you that obtaining IPv6 from the RIR needs to be a sure thing, not a risk, for any network operator who needs PI v6 to sanely
build their network.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Do you have a general or any specific recommendation for capturing this in policy better than the current text does?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">David<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gary T. Giesen [mailto:ggiesen@giesen.me]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Huberman; 'John Curran'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [arin-ppml] IPv6 End-User Initial Assignment Policy (or: Please don't me make do ULA + NAT66)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">David,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I don’t necessarily disagree. Just trying to minimize the business risk of having to have virtually all of my customers qualify under e) with the
risk of rejection because my use case isn’t specifically spelled out. And I realize perhaps my use case is a very small minority. But the barriers to adoption are real and if I can’t check a box and guarantee my customers get address space when they need it,
they won’t adopt, plain and simple. Perhaps I’ll feel a bit better about it when I have a few 6.5.8.1e applications under my belt.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">GTG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> [<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Huberman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> February-17-15 12:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Curran<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gary T. Giesen; <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] IPv6 End-User Initial Assignment Policy (or: Please don't me make do ULA + NAT66)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thank you John!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">So Gary: I understand your meta point. I am all for clarity and ease-of-use in the NRPM. As an AC member, I hope to drive the NRPM to more and more “easiness”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">But (and perhaps I’m wrong), I feel that EU v6 policy is pretty needs-free and easy. You have 5 clauses to qualify under, and clause e) really is the ‘catch-all”
bucket for “everything else”, including the case you brought up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Disagree?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">David R Huberman<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Microsoft Corporation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Principal, Global IP Addressing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> John Curran [<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net">mailto:jcurran@arin.net</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Huberman<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gary T. Giesen; <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] IPv6 End-User Initial Assignment Policy (or: Please don't me make do ULA + NAT66)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:54 AM, David Huberman <<a href="mailto:David.Huberman@microsoft.com">David.Huberman@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">But “something quite so fuzzy” is your interpretation, not ARIN’s. So let’s get ARIN’s interpretation and try and take the fuzziness out of the equation.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Question for ARIN: In the general (normal) case when an application is made for EU v6 under clause e) and there’s a technical explanation for why they want RIR-issued
space, will the application be approved ?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, so long as a technical explanation is provided. NRPM 6.5.8.1 provides a <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">list of several situations that would warrant direct end-user IPv6 assignment,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">and others are accepted as well so long as a reasonable technical justification<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">/John<o:p></o:p></p>
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