<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">As the Internet continues to grow, the amount of critical infrastructure within the Internet also continues to grow. While the ARIN region is more mature than other regions, we are still seeing this growth increase.</div><div class="">For these reasons, we support increasing the CI pool size.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">…karl</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Principal Engineer</div><div class="">Dyn</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 2, 2014, at 10:57 AM, Steven Ryerse <<a href="mailto:SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com" class="">SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I support this as well.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Steven Ryerse<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">President<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">℠</span></sup><sup class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></sup></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" class="">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> [<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" class="">mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Rudolph Daniel<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, December 2, 2014 7:03 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] 2014:21.CI pool size<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I Support this CI pool size increase.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Rudi Daniel<br class="">784 430 9235<o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On Dec 1, 2014 8:09 PM, <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-request@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml-request@arin.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Send ARIN-PPML mailing list submissions to<br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br class=""><br class="">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br class="">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml-request@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml-request@arin.net</a><br class=""><br class="">You can reach the person managing the list at<br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml-owner@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml-owner@arin.net</a><br class=""><br class="">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br class="">than "Re: Contents of ARIN-PPML digest..."<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Today's Topics:<br class=""><br class=""> 1. Advisory Council Meeting Results - November 2014 (ARIN)<br class=""> 2. Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21: Modification to CI Pool Size per<br class=""> Section 4.4 (ARIN)<br class=""> 3. Draft Policy ARIN-2014-22: Removal of Minimum in Section 4.10<br class=""> (ARIN)<br class=""> 4. Weekly posting summary for<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ppml@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(Thomas Narten)<br class=""> 5. Re: Multi-homing justification removed? (Owen DeLong)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 1<br class="">Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:34:58 -0500<br class="">From: ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">info@arin.net</a>><br class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br class="">Subject: [arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - November 2014<br class="">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5474E7F2.60606@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">5474E7F2.60606@arin.net</a>><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gbk; format=flowed<br class=""><br class="">In accordance with the ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP), the ARIN<br class="">Advisory Council (AC) met on 20 November 2014.<br class=""><br class="">The AC recommended the following to the ARIN Board for adoption:<br class=""><br class=""> Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2014-9: Resolve Conflict Between RSA<br class="">and 8.2 Utilization Requirements<br class=""><br class="">The AC accepted the following Proposals as a Draft Policies:<br class=""><br class=""> ARIN-prop-213 Modification to CI Pool Size per Section 4.4<br class=""> ARIN-prop-214 Removal of Minimum in Section 4.10<br class=""><br class="">The AC is continuing to work on the following:<br class=""><br class=""> Draft Policy ARIN-2014-1: Out of Region Use<br class=""> Draft Policy ARIN-2014-6: Remove 7.1 [Maintaining IN-ADDRs]<br class=""> Draft Policy ARIN-2014-14: Removing Needs Test from Small IPv4 Transfers<br class=""> Draft Policy ARIN-2014-17: Change Utilization Requirements from<br class="">last-allocation to total-aggregate<br class=""> Draft Policy ARIN-2014-19: New MDN Allocation Based on Past Utilization<br class=""><br class="">Draft Policy and Proposal texts are available at:<br class=""><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html</a><br class=""><br class="">The ARIN Policy Development Process can be found at:<br class=""><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html</a><br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class=""><br class="">Communications and Member Services<br class="">American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 2<br class="">Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:35:15 -0500<br class="">From: ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">info@arin.net</a>><br class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br class="">Subject: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21: Modification to CI<br class=""> Pool Size per Section 4.4<br class="">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5474E803.9020504@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">5474E803.9020504@arin.net</a>><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gbk; format=flowed<br class=""><br class="">On 20 November 2014 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted<br class="">"ARIN-prop-213 Modification to CI Pool Size per Section 4.4" as a Draft<br class="">Policy.<br class=""><br class="">Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21 is below and can be found at:<br class=""><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_21.html" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_21.html</a><br class=""><br class="">You are encouraged to discuss the merits and your concerns of Draft<br class="">Policy 2014-21 on the Public Policy Mailing List.<br class=""><br class="">The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance<br class="">of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet Number Resource<br class="">Policy as stated in the PDP. Specifically, these principles are:<br class=""><br class=""> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration<br class=""> * Technically Sound<br class=""> * Supported by the Community<br class=""><br class="">The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at:<br class=""><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html</a><br class=""><br class="">Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:<br class=""><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html</a><br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class=""><br class="">Communications and Member Services<br class="">American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">## * ##<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21<br class="">Modification to CI Pool Size per Section 4.4<br class=""><br class="">Date: 25 November 2014<br class=""><br class="">Problem Statement:<br class=""><br class="">At the time that this section of policy was written, IXP growth in North<br class="">America was stagnant. Efforts of late have increased significantly<br class="">within the IXP standards and other communities to improve critical<br class="">infrastructure in North America. This effort is paying dividends and we<br class="">project that a /16 will not be enough to continue to improve global<br class="">interconnect conditions and support needed IXP CI infrastructure.<br class=""><br class="">Policy statement:<br class=""><br class="">Change to text in section 4.4 Micro Allocations:<br class=""><br class="">Current text:<br class=""><br class="">ARIN will place an equivalent of a /16 of IPv4 address space in a<br class="">reserve for Critical Infrastructure, as defined in section 4.4. If at<br class="">the end of the policy term there is unused address space remaining in<br class="">this pool, ARIN staff is authorized to utilize this space in a manner<br class="">consistent with community expectations.<br class=""><br class="">Proposed text to replace current text entirely:<br class=""><br class="">ARIN will place an equivalent of a /15 of IPv4 address space in a<br class="">reserve for Critical Infrastructure, as defined in section 4.4.<br class=""><br class="">Timetable for implementation: Immediate<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 3<br class="">Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:35:29 -0500<br class="">From: ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">info@arin.net</a>><br class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br class="">Subject: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-22: Removal of Minimum in<br class=""> Section 4.10<br class="">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5474E811.40500@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">5474E811.40500@arin.net</a>><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gbk; format=flowed<br class=""><br class="">On 20 November 2014 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted<br class="">"ARIN-prop-214 Removal of Minimum in Section 4.10" as a Draft Policy.<br class=""><br class="">Draft Policy ARIN-2014-22 is below and can be found at:<br class=""><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_22.html" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_22.html</a><br class=""><br class="">You are encouraged to discuss the merits and your concerns of Draft<br class="">Policy 2014-22 on the Public Policy Mailing List.<br class=""><br class="">The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance<br class="">of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet Number Resource<br class="">Policy as stated in the PDP. Specifically, these principles are:<br class=""><br class=""> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration<br class=""> * Technically Sound<br class=""> * Supported by the Community<br class=""><br class="">The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at:<br class=""><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html</a><br class=""><br class="">Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:<br class=""><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html</a><br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class=""><br class="">Communications and Member Services<br class="">American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">## * ##<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Draft Policy ARIN-2014-22<br class="">Removal of Minimum in Section 4.10<br class=""><br class="">Date: 25 November 2014<br class=""><br class="">Problem Statement:<br class=""><br class="">The current section 4.10 Dedicated IPv4 block to facilitate IPv6<br class="">Deployment creates an issue where a small new organization that requires<br class="">an IPv4 allocation or assignment would potentially receive a block that<br class="">today would be unroutable and therefore unusable for it intended purposes.<br class=""><br class="">Policy statement:<br class=""><br class="">Change<br class=""><br class="">"This block will be subject to a minimum size allocation of /28 and a<br class="">maximum size allocation of /24. ARIN should use sparse allocation when<br class="">possible within that /10 block."<br class=""><br class="">To<br class=""><br class="">"This block will be subject to an allocation of /24. ARIN should use<br class="">sparse allocation when possible within that /10 block."<br class=""><br class="">Timetable for implementation: Immediate<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 4<br class="">Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 00:53:04 -0500<br class="">From: Thomas Narten <<a href="mailto:narten@us.ibm.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">narten@us.ibm.com</a>><br class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br class="">Subject: [arin-ppml] Weekly posting summary for<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ppml@arin.net</a><br class="">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:201411280553.sAS5r4he009466@rotala.raleigh.ibm.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">201411280553.sAS5r4he009466@rotala.raleigh.ibm.com</a>><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br class=""><br class="">Total of 5 messages in the last 7 days.<br class=""><br class="">script run at: Fri Nov 28 00:53:03 EST 2014<br class=""><br class=""> Messages | Bytes | Who<br class="">--------+------+--------+----------+------------------------<br class=""> 60.00% | 3 | 55.51% | 18354 |<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">info@arin.net</a><br class=""> 20.00% | 1 | 22.60% | 7473 |<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:athompso@athompso.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">athompso@athompso.net</a><br class=""> 20.00% | 1 | 21.89% | 7240 |<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:narten@us.ibm.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">narten@us.ibm.com</a><br class="">--------+------+--------+----------+------------------------<br class="">100.00% | 5 |100.00% | 33067 | Total<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 5<br class="">Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 16:04:21 -0800<br class="">From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">owen@delong.com</a>><br class="">To: Scott Leibrand <<a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">scottleibrand@gmail.com</a>><br class="">Cc: "<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br class="">Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Multi-homing justification removed?<br class="">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:E2740FF8-B6A5-4891-A251-BD142F8A39F8@delong.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">E2740FF8-B6A5-4891-A251-BD142F8A39F8@delong.com</a>><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br class=""><br class="">FWIW, Scott, your interpretation agrees with my recollection and my intents along the way.<br class=""><br class="">I am not convinced that such a policy applied to the transfer market is a good idea. I believe that portable blocks place sufficient demand on internet resources that having a some number of hosts behind them (50%+) is not an unreasonable requirement regardless of whether the block is freshly minted from the RIR or recycled.<br class=""><br class="">Owen<br class=""><br class="">> On Nov 20, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Scott Leibrand <<a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">scottleibrand@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">><br class="">> Steve,<br class="">><br class="">> I think your interpretation of 4.3.2.2 is incorrect. That policy section was not the one that authorized the receipt of a (PA) /24 for multihoming. That was, and still is, 4.2.3.6 <<a href="http://4.2.3.6/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://4.2.3.6/</a>>:<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four236" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four236</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four236" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four236</a>>, which states that "The ISP will then verify the customer's multihoming requirement and may assign the customer a /24, based on this policy."<br class="">><br class="">> 4.3.2.2 states that the minimum allocation size (from ARIN) for multihomed end users was a /24. However, that did not allow you to get a /24 from ARIN just by becoming multihomed. If you were/are in that situation, you always had to (and still have to) get your /24 from your upstream if you don't meet ARIN's /24 utilizatinon criteria, and demonstrate efficient utilization before getting one from ARIN.<br class="">><br class="">> If my understanding does not match how policy was implemented by staff prior to implementation of ARIN-2014-13 on 17 September 2014, someone please correct me, but that was the intent of the policy as I understand it.<br class="">><br class="">> When discussing 2014-13, my sense of the community was that we did not want to authorize receipt of a /24 from ARIN solely based on multihoming, because that could possibly open up a land rush of organizations spun up solely for the purpose of getting a /24 from the free pool, holding it for the requisite time, and then selling it on the transfer market. I personally would be more amenable to considering a policy change to liberalize the requirements for getting a /24 if/when they're available from the transfer market only.<br class="">><br class="">> -Scott<br class="">><br class="">> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Steve King <<a href="mailto:steve.king@iconaircraft.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">steve.king@iconaircraft.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><mailto:<a href="mailto:steve.king@iconaircraft.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">steve.king@iconaircraft.com</a>>> wrote:<br class="">> Multi-homing was not a requirement. It was an alternate justification. I can?t honestly meet the 50% utilization requirement for a /24, but under the pre-September rules I qualified for a /24 under 4.3.2.2 because I contract with multiple carriers and want to participate in BGP for failover.<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> Now that the language in 4.3.2.2 is gone, my reading is I have to either:<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> a) Lie about my utilization. Not willing to do that.<br class="">><br class="">> b) Beg for a BGP-transferrable block from a carrier, and even then, deal with the fact that other ISPs are far more likely to aggregate and filter specific routes to large carrier-assigned blocks. I end up with a less reliable failover solution.<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> The policy revision is a significant step backward for me. Maybe I?m enough of an edge case to not matter. But ARIN-2014-13 stated 4.3.2.2 was redundant given the lowered minimum allocation in 4.3.2.1. It was not redundant. It covered a case that I think matters.<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> The worst part is, I?m probably going to end up with two non-BGP transferrable /24s from two carriers (we all know they hand them out like candy with big circuits), so I?ll end up burning more IPV4 space than I otherwise would.<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> Steve King<br class="">><br class="">> ICON Aircraft<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> From: John Von Stein [mailto:<a href="mailto:John@qxccommunications.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">John@qxccommunications.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><mailto:<a href="mailto:John@qxccommunications.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">John@qxccommunications.com</a>>]<br class="">> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:18 PM<br class="">> To: Richard J. Letts; Steve King;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br class="">> Subject: RE: Multi-homing justification removed?<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> Speaking from recent / current experience, the multi-homing requirement is a bit of a challenge for tweener-sized organizations like QxC. We are too big for underlying fiber carriers to comfortably continue to supply our need for IP addresses but not in the position to carry the financial, technical or operational challenges of multi-homing. This was a very significant cost commitment for QxC and I can imagine this is not achievable for other like-sized ISPs. Granted, we are better off for it now but had I known how much of a financial and technical hurdle this really was then I probably would not have done it. I just needed more IP addresses to continue to grow my biz and would have much rather spent the money and manpower on marketing/sales/customer acquisition. Multi-homing is a nice-to-have luxury that none of my customers are willing to pay for so it is simply a cost of entry to get the IP addresses we need to continue to grow our customer base.<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> As such, I support dropping multi-homing as a prerequisite for an IP allocation.<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> Thank you,<br class="">><br class="">> John W. Von Stein<br class="">><br class="">> CEO<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> <image001.jpg><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> 102 NE 2nd Street<br class="">><br class="">> Suite 136<br class="">><br class="">> Boca Raton, FL 33432<br class="">><br class="">> Office:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:561-288-6989" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">561-288-6989</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><tel:<a href="tel:561-288-6989" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">561-288-6989</a>><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.qxccommunications.com/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.QxCcommunications.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="http://www.qxccommunications.com/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.qxccommunications.com/</a>><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>>] On Behalf Of Richard J. Letts<br class="">> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:24 PM<br class="">> To: Steve King;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br class="">> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Multi-homing justification removed?<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> I believe the intent was there.<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> orgs that have a justifiable/provable need for a /24 were been restricted by their current/lone provider being unwilling to give them enough address space. Not everyone has the ability to change providers, and if you can?t change providers then you certainly would not be able to multihome..<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> Richard Letts<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>>] On Behalf Of Steve King<br class="">> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:47 AM<br class="">> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br class="">> Subject: [arin-ppml] Multi-homing justification removed?<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> The changes implemented in ARIN-2014-13, specifically the removal of 4.3.2.2, appear to have removed the multi-homing justification for a /24 for end users. Previously, the need to multi-home, and proof of contracts with multiple upstream providers, was sufficient to justify a /24 to participate in BGP.<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> For reassignments from ISPs, the language remains in 4.2.3.6. Users can justify a /24 via a requirement to multi-home rather than utilization rate. However this revision appears to leave utilization rate as the only criterion for direct end-user assignments.<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> Was this the intent or possibly an overlooked side effect of the change?<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> Steve King<br class="">><br class="">> ICON Aircraft<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> _______________________________________________<br class="">> PPML<br class="">> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br class="">> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><mailto:<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>>).<br class="">> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank" style="color: purple; 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