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--></style></head><body dir="auto">Because the lack of multi-homing as a justification makes every IP address user a captive of their initial carrier. Do *you* know anyone who will renumber (short of going out of business altogether)?<br>
I think this is an extremely bad idea, tantamount to ARIN "selling out" to ILECs, but further explanation will have to wait until morning when I'm fully awake.<br>
-Adam Thompson<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On November 19, 2014 11:20:33 PM CST, Martin Hannigan <hannigan@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><br /></div><div>Anyone want to debate why there is any multi homing requirement in 2014? </div><div><br /></div><div>Best,</div><div><br /></div><div>-M<</div><div><br /></div><div><br /><br /><br /></div><div><br />On Nov 19, 2014, at 22:18, John Von Stein <<a href="mailto:John@qxccommunications.com">John@qxccommunications.com</a>> wrote:<br /><br /></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Speaking from recent / current experience, the multi-homing requirement is a bit of a challenge for tweener-sized organizations like QxC. We are too big for underlying fiber carriers to comfortably continue
to supply our need for IP addresses but not in the position to carry the financial, technical or operational challenges of multi-homing. This was a very significant cost commitment for QxC and I can imagine this is not achievable for other like-sized ISPs.
Granted, we are better off for it now but had I known how much of a financial and technical hurdle this really was then I probably would not have done it. I just needed more IP addresses to continue to grow my biz and would have much rather spent the money
and manpower on marketing/sales/customer acquisition. Multi-homing is a nice-to-have luxury that none of my customers are willing to pay for so it is simply a cost of entry to get the IP addresses we need to continue to grow our customer base.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">As such, I support dropping multi-homing as a prerequisite for an IP allocation.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard J. Letts<br />
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:24 PM<br />
<b>To:</b> Steve King; <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br />
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Multi-homing justification removed?<p></p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I believe the intent was there.<p></p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">orgs that have a justifiable/provable need for a /24 were been restricted by their current/lone provider being unwilling to give them enough address space. Not everyone has the ability to change providers, and
if you can’t change providers then you certainly would not be able to multihome..<p></p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> [<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve King<br />
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:47 AM<br />
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br />
<b>Subject:</b> [arin-ppml] Multi-homing justification removed?</p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The changes implemented in ARIN-2014-13, specifically the removal of 4.3.2.2, appear to have removed the multi-homing justification for a /24 for end users. Previously, the need to multi-home, and proof of contracts with multiple upstream
providers, was sufficient to justify a /24 to participate in BGP.</p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For reassignments from ISPs, the language remains in 4.2.3.6. Users can justify a /24 via a requirement to multi-home rather than utilization rate. However this revision appears to leave utilization rate as the only criterion for direct
end-user assignments.</p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Was this the intent or possibly an overlooked side effect of the change?</p><p></p>
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