<div dir="ltr">Such a percentage was proposed last year, and rejected by the community.<div><br></div><div>ARIN-2014-1 proposes to allow out of region use. Based on the discussion in Baltimore, I think it would be appropriate to have an absolute minimum amount of in-region resource use before an organization qualifies to count its out-of-region use toward its total requirements. I think a good threshold is a /22 for IPv4, a /44 (or /48) for IPv6, or 1 ASN, respectively.</div><div><br></div><div>Would that address your concern?</div><div><br></div><div>-Scott</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tedm@ipinc.net" target="_blank">tedm@ipinc.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
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On 10/14/2014 3:56 PM, John Curran wrote:<br>
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On Oct 13, 2014, at 19:31 , Adam Thompson<<a href="mailto:athompso@athompso.net" target="_blank">athompso@athompso.net</a><u></u>> wrote:<br>
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John, or Leslie, or any other board or staff:<br>
Has ARIN considered - and possibly rejected - any of these options:<br>
1. Developing a dedicated Fraud investigation department or team, or<br>
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<br>
This can be done, but it will not yield any different results in the case<br>
of an organization that is "making fake contracts with unexists or imaginable<br>
customers and making up the equipment list and purchase invoices, which make<br>
their business looks like the same as the real one." (as stated by xiaofan)<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
2. Hiring translators and/or bilingual or "bicultural" (spell check OK'd that so I guess it's a word!) staff to mitigate the difficulty in doing these investigations, or<br>
3. Outsourcing foreign fraud investigations, possibly with the assistance (direct or otherwise) of the relevant RIR?<br>
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We actually have very good working relationships with the other RIRs for<br>
this reason, and have asked for assistance as needed for translation and<br>
data verification... This is rather labor intensive, and will not uncover<br>
fabricated data that has been diligently prepared, as verification of both<br>
customer and business contact information is exceedingly difficult in some<br>
countries outside of the ARIN service region (even if undertaken by the RIR<br>
servicing that area.)<br>
<br>
We have been able to detect fraudulent applications that were similar in<br>
character to this case (and do reject such), but we routinely see these<br>
sorts of requests, i.e. ones backed by nominal in region presence and<br>
entirely out of region customer demand.<br>
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Perhaps a policy proposal of a requirement of 70% of IP numbering requested must be used for in-region demand, would be in order?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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Ted</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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FYI,<br>
/John<br>
<br>
John Curran<br>
President and CEO<br>
ARIN<br>
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