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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What a breath of fresh perspective! This is what is going on in the real world and much of it outside of ARIN - and I can’t even get consensus of removing
needs tests in ARIN-2014-18 on a measly /24. As if somehow the ipv4 depletion problem can be saved by limiting allocations of /24s. The world is changing rapidly and its time to embrace the future as it will be very soon.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Huberman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 22, 2014 10:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Matthew Petach<br>
<b>Cc:</b> arin-ppml@arin.net List (arin-ppml@arin.net)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy SlowStart and Simplified Needs Verification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Hiya Matthew,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks for the reply. I want to respond to one item in your post:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">> I suspect the challenge here is that not everyone<br>
> is in agreement about what constitutes a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">> "bona fide" transfer, as opposed to a land<br>
> grab. If we look at land allocations in california<br>
> as any indication, humans will warp and twist<br>
> any well-intentioned plan for their own greed<br>
> and profits.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">If you talk to brokers and look at publicly-available<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">data, it shows that the telcos and cablecos and large<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">content providers have already scooped up (or are
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">in the process of scooping up) the space they need<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">for the forseeable future (presumably enough to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">tie them over until dual-stacking is sufficient).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">Amazon has been transferring blocks of a million<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">IPs into their name from Merck for a few years now,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">according to transfer stats and Whois.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">Google has secured an exclusive option for more than<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">a /8 worth of space already.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">Large blocks have disappeared off the market in China<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">faster than you can lookup the Chinese welcoming phrase<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">for "Hi". [If anyone has an in on non-fraudulent space in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">China for sale, please hit me up!] <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">From my point of view - and the point of view of my<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">executives - this isn't a land grab. It's for-profit
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">corporations doing what's necessary to survive the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">current landscape while, as one PPML poster eloquently<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">put it, fulfilling their fiduciary duty to their shareholders<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">to ensure continuity of operations. It makes business sense<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">to these companies to buy or tie-up this space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">And my point is not so much to argue about whether these<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">are morally right or not, but to say that the big guys are already<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">engaged in the market fully. ARIN policy needs, in my opinion,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">to look out for everyone else to ensure equitability. It isn't fair,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">in my world view, if Google can buy space willy-nilly without
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">consequence, but Matthew and Dave's Tire Shop can't buy a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">/22 for their 1,000 devices which need front-end space without<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">going through multiple rounds of transfers and purchases and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">what-have-you under ARIN policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">Just my opinion,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">David
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