<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">$SEARCH_ENGINE has to go through the same policy hurdles as Dave’s Tire Shop if $SEARCH_ENGINE is complying with policy.<div><br></div><div>Eliminating all policy hurdles from everyone is _NOT_ a solution to the fact that some organizations choose to eschew policy and thus community interest in favor of self-interest.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 22, 2014, at 7:01 PM, David Huberman <<a href="mailto:David.Huberman@microsoft.com">David.Huberman@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Hiya Matthew,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Thanks for the reply. I want to respond to one item in your post:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">> I suspect the challenge here is that not everyone<br>> is in agreement about what constitutes a<br></div><div style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="ltr">> "bona fide" transfer, as opposed to a land<br>> grab. If we look at land allocations in california<br>> as any indication, humans will warp and twist<br>> any well-intentioned plan for their own greed<br>> and profits.<br></div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">If you talk to brokers and look at publicly-available</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">data, it shows that the telcos and cablecos and large</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">content providers have already scooped up (or are</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">in the process of scooping up) the space they need</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">for the forseeable future (presumably enough to</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">tie them over until dual-stacking is sufficient).</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">Amazon has been transferring blocks of a million</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">IPs into their name from Merck for a few years now,</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">according to transfer stats and Whois.</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">Google has secured an exclusive option for more than</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">a /8 worth of space already.</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">Large blocks have disappeared off the market in China</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">faster than you can lookup the Chinese welcoming phrase</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">for "Hi". [If anyone has an in on non-fraudulent space in</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">China for sale, please hit me up!] </div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">From my point of view - and the point of view of my</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">executives - this isn't a land grab. It's for-profit</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">corporations doing what's necessary to survive the</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">current landscape while, as one PPML poster eloquently</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">put it, fulfilling their fiduciary duty to their shareholders</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">to ensure continuity of operations. It makes business sense</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">to these companies to buy or tie-up this space.</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">And my point is not so much to argue about whether these</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">are morally right or not, but to say that the big guys are already</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">engaged in the market fully. ARIN policy needs, in my opinion,</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">to look out for everyone else to ensure equitability. It isn't fair,</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">in my world view, if Google can buy space willy-nilly without</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">consequence, but Matthew and Dave's Tire Shop can't buy a</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">/22 for their 1,000 devices which need front-end space without</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">going through multiple rounds of transfers and purchases and</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">what-have-you under ARIN policy.</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="ltr">Just my opinion,</div><div dir="ltr">David</div></div>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.</div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>