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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks for the replies, Andrew!<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes, that would work. It was the “not defined in other …” language which lead me to mis-read what you intended. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">David R Huberman<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Principal, Global IP Addressing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Andrew Dul [mailto:andrew.dul@quark.net]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 22, 2014 11:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Huberman; arin-ppml@arin.net; Andrew Dul<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">David,<br>
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If the last section was changed to...<br>
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Other critical infrastructure such as core DNS service providers (e.g. ICANN-sanctioned root and ccTLD operators) as well as the RIRs and IANA, may receive allocations from ARIN, when operational need can be demonstrated.<br>
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Would this alleviate your concerns?<br>
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Andrew<br>
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On 9/22/2014 11:09 AM, David Huberman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I apologize – I wish to follow-up on my own post as I hastily composed it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Many years ago, Randy Bush made a point which resonated me: we want to avoid “golden networks”. We want to avoid 8.8.8.8 being designated a critical internet
infrastructure service just because it’s successful. Its absence would not stop the internet from working (in this case, DNS would still resolve just fine). We want to avoid “anycast” being a “golden network”. Anycast is an engineering choice, but its existence
within a platform is not mission critical. It just works better that way, maybe, but not more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My stated concern with the new text is it opens to the door to Randy’s golden networks. I’d prefer not to, especially as I think the pre-defined list serves
us well.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Microsoft Corporation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Principal, Global IP Addressing</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> [<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Huberman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 22, 2014 11:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>; Andrew Dul<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> This text concerns me:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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> Other critical infrastructure which is not defined in other sub-sections of section 4.4,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> may receive allocations from ARIN, when operational need can be demonstrated. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Can you please give us a real-world example? The pre-defined list of critical operators has served us well over 17 years. I've never seen nor heard of something that's truly critical to the operation of the
internet that isn't in this list that has petitioned ARIN and failed. I'm loathe to change it.
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