<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">It’s worse than that, actually, Steve.<div><br></div><div>Members do actually get the same treatment you got if they can’t successfully prove their linkage to the resource.</div><div><br></div><div>Fees have not gone up over all… Instead, fees for those using the least amount of ARIN resources are getting raised in order to cover the costs of reducing fees for those that have membership, have a greater say in the organization, and consume more ARIN resources.</div><div><br></div><div>The worst travesty was when ARIN went from a cost-per-org model for end-user organizations to a cost-per-record model and soon thereafter revoked without warning the policy which would allow an org to consolidate multiple resource records into a single record.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 19, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Steve Noble <<a href="mailto:snoble@sonn.com">snoble@sonn.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">John,<br>
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If you want to call years and years of being unable to update the ASN,
_that I was being billed for_ "support", we have a difference of
opinion. Had I been an ARIN member, I am sure I would have gotten
better treatment, but possibly not as RS and many other highly respected
individuals tried to help over the years but were unsuccessful.<br>
<br>
The relevance is: as stated in the review report, you have over 11,000
ASN only organizations who are not members of ARIN. ARIN continues to
raise fees yet does not provide more value. I am a vocal minority.<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" style="color:#737F92
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">September 19,
2014 at 11:25 AM</span></font></div></div></div>
<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;" __pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><!----><br>Steve -<br> <br>
As you are well aware, that had nothing to do with membership, but the
fact<br> that you were not associated with the organization record
associated with <br> the ASN. <br><br> Parties can make changes to
resource records without entry being a member,<br> but we obviously
prevent parties with no clear association with a resource <br> from
making changes. This is completely unrelated to membership. With<br>
regard to being "denied support", you very much received support; it
was <br> via such support from ARIN that the problem was resolved in
June 2016.)<br><br> Again, this is completely unrelated to membership;
ARIN refused to allow<br> someone not associated with a resource to
update because to do so would<br> have been incorrect. Once we got
your organization record straightened <br> out, your changes were all
accepted (and again, completely independent<br> of membership.)<br><br>FYI,<br>/John<br><br>John
Curran<br>President and CEO<br>ARIN<br><br></div>
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">September 19,
2014 at 11:09 AM</span></font></div></div></div>
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As an ASN only holder, not
a member, I was denied the ability to update my ASN for years (from
2002-2011?) and ARIN refused to do anything about it. I was required to
pay the fees, else lose the ASN, but not allowed to update the physical
address (which is what I assume registration services are for). The
fees were raised for a single ASN from $30 -> $100 while ARIN
provided no new services, including membership in ARIN.<br>
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">September 19,
2014 at 11:03 AM</span></font></div></div></div>
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<br>Can you provide some examples of what you're being denied by only
having
an ASN?
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<br>~Seth
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- <br><br>After the last change to the ARIN fee schedule, the ARIN
Board of Trustees <br>directed the creation of a "Fee Structure Review
Panel" to consider possible<br>long-term directions for ARIN fee
schedule and and prepare a document for<br>the community outlining the
potential merits of each alternative. The panel has <br>now completed
the production of the "ARIN Fee Structure Review Report" <br>and it is
attached for consideration by the ARIN community. <br><br>There will be
community consultation to consider potential next steps for the <br>ARIN
Fee Schedule; that consultation will be opened after the Fee Structure <br>Discussion
which will take place during the ARIN 34 meeting on Friday morning<br>10
October 2014.<br><br>I would like to thank all of the panel members for
their excellent efforts in <br>producing this final report -<br><br>
ARIN Board Finance Committee Members:<br> Paul Anderson (Chair)
<br> Aaron Hughes<br> Bill Woodcock<br> John
Curran <br><br> At-Large Members: <br> Tim St. Pierre<br>
Steve Feldman<br> Brandon Ross <br> Daniel Alexander <br>
Michael Sinatra<br><br>Thank you all! (and look forward to see
you in Baltimore!)<br>/John<br><br>John Curran<br>President and CEO<br>ARIN<br><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You
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