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Dear John,<br>
<br>
thanks very much for this follow-up.<br>
I think the point that Milton was making was that apart from a F2F
discussion at next month's ARIN meeting, there is no dedicated, open
mailing list hosted by ARIN to hold that open discussion about IANA
Stewardship transition. All other RIRs have such open mailing lists,
so ARIN's process looks a bit of a oddity on the overall scheme of
things.<br>
<br>
I personally fully support Milton's concern. I know many other
people who do too.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
(own views)<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/09/2014 01:44, John Curran wrote:<br>
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<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Milton -</span>
<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> Note that
we're going to have a public discussion of the process to be
used in </span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> this region
next month at the ARIN meeting, and your input is most
welcome</span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> in helping
develop the process to be used.</span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> We will need a
process for this region that works within an overall
timeline for </span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> the RIR
community, and must include receiving initial input,
integration within </span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> the region,
then consolidation amongst the RIRs, overall RIR community
review, </span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> all in order
to support a timely submission to the ICG. There is an
overall timeline</span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> here that you
may find helpful - </span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> <<a
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href="https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/timeline-for-rirs-engagement-in-iana-stewardship-transition-process">https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/timeline-for-rirs-engagement-in-iana-stewardship-transition-process</a>></span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
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<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Thanks!</span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">/John</span></div>
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<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">John Curran</span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">President and CEO </span></div>
<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">ARIN</span></div>
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On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:48 PM, "Milton L Mueller" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Today the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/stewardship/coordination-group">
IANA stewardship coordination group</a> (ICG) released a
request for proposals for changing the IANA in ways needed
to compensate for the end of US government oversight.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I am assuming that since the RIRs were
signatories to the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2013-10-07-en">
Montevideo Declaration</a>, which called for
globalization of the IANA functions, that most of their
members and participants support the IANA transition and
want to see it happen expeditiously.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The ICG, of which I am a member, has
proposed a very open and bottom up method for the
transition. It has broken the problem down into three
types of IANA ‘customers’ – names, numbers and protocols –
and has asked each of these operational communities to
convene open, transparent processes to develop proposals
with widespread public support for a new IANA that can
function without oversight by the US government. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The IETF has convened a reasonably open
process, creating a mailing list (<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ianaplan@ietf.org">ianaplan@ietf.org</a>)
and chartering a
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ianaplan/charter/">working
group</a> to develop a proposal.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Likewise, the names community has
chartered a <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/draft-charter-ccwg-iana-stewardship-21aug14-en.pdf">cross-community
working group</a>, led by the GNSO and CCNSO, to develop
a names proposal.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I am sorry to report that ARIN and the
NRO have not risen to this challenge yet. We have not seen
any call for input about how to convene an open process –
something which is _<i>required</i>_ by both NTIA and the
ICG.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The RIR’s proposed “process” for
developing a proposal has never been discussed among the
ARIN Advisory Council, nor has it been announced or raised
on the ARIN PPML. There was never a discussion as to
whether the process should be convened at the global level
or at the regional level. No mailing list for general
discussion of that specific topic has been convened by the
RIRs as a whole. The
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://teamarin.net/education/internet-governance/iana-globalization/">web
page ARIN has thrown together about the transition</a>
does not describe or propose a process. There seem to be
no methods for interested stakeholders to submit proposals
for the IANA transition to the RIR community, and no plans
for receiving public comment about their draft proposal.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Instead, the assumption seems to be
that ARIN, and APNIC and other RIRs, will collect random
“input” from poorly publicized face to face sessions at
their regional meetings, and then their staff will decide
what the proposal will be. There seem to be no plans for
collating and analyzing that input. There are not even
plans for opening the RIRs proposals to public omment.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Even worse than ARIN’s vacuum, APNIC
has started off its ”consultation” process by putting in
front of the community the staff’s own view as to how the
new IANA should look, which calls into question the
neutrality of the process.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">These process failings make the RIR’s
proposed transition proposal extremely vulnerable to
challenge. Any aspect of the IANA transition that cannot
demonstrate a fair process and broad support from across
the spectrum of stakeholder groups is likely to attract
criticism and to fail the NTIA’s test. I am urging the
RIRs to wake up and take this transition process more
seriously. In my opinion, the following criteria need to
be met before the RIRs can claim to have run a legitimate
process:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
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style="mso-list:Ignore">1)<span style="font:7.0pt
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</span></span><!--[endif]-->There must be a global, open
mailing list devoted specifically to the numbers part of
the IANA transition. Not existing regional lists.<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><!--[endif]-->The draft proposal developed
jointly by the RIRs must explicitly respond to public
input
<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><!--[endif]-->The final proposal developed
jointly by the RIRs must be subject to public comment on a
global basis before it is submitted to the ICG<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Milton L Mueller<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Laura J and L. Douglas Meredith
Professor <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Syracuse University School of
Information Studies<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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