<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Milton L Mueller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">Current policy neither clearly forbids nor clearly permits out of region use of ARIN registered resources. This has created confusion and controversy within</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">the ARIN community
for some time. Earlier work on this issue has restricting </span></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" lang="EN-US">
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">out of region use in various ways. None of these proposals have gained consensus. The next logical option is to discuss a proposal that clearly permits </span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br>IP numbers are both unique and globally route-able. Why do we
need a policy to tell us this? How does inversing the statements (not allowed vs. allowed) in the policy amount to any substantive change? It doesn't.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">out of region use. Permitting out of region use,
however, poses issues that have</span> <br></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" lang="EN-US">
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">to be addressed by policy and adjustments to operational practice. Out of region use must be clearly defined and any operational practices based on that definition must not be unnecessarily burdensome. Also, it is more difficult
and costly for ARIN staff to independently verify the justification and utilization of resources that are used outside of the ARIN service region. There needs to be recognition of this difference in policy and associated operational practices.</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm confused. Why is it "more difficult" to verify justifications and utilization "outside" of the ARIN region than in? If I assign an address to an interface in Boston vs. an interface in Hong Kong, the only difference is the geo. ARIN already doesn't understand the vast majority of the geo nomenclature we use whether its in Boston or Hong Kong e.g. 230 Congress vs. 9 Pat Tat, whether it's owned by a REIT (DLR) or is a tenancy (Equinix).<br>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">Policy statement:</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">Create new Section X;</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">X. Out of region use<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">ARIN registered resources may be used outside the ARIN service region and such use is valid justification for new or additional resources. A resource is considered
to be used outside the region if it exclusively serves a user, customer or technical infrastructure location outside the ARIN service region.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What does "exclusively" serves a user mean? <br>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">The services and facilities used to justify the need for ARIN resources that will be used out of region should not also be used to justify resource requests from another
RIR. <br></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div>Isn't this meddling in other RIR local policies? <br><br>If LACNIC says it's ok for one to justify their utilization based on their aggregate RIR history and that's acceptable to LACNIC and the party requesting addresses, why is it not acceptable to ARIN? How is it enforced if both parties simply ignore ARIN (which is what could likely happen)? <br>
<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" lang="EN-US"><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">When a request for resources from ARIN is justified by need</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> located within another RIR’s service region and is more than the equivalent of a /20 for IPv4, a /36 for IPv6, or two (2) ASNs, the requesting organization will also report to ARIN the utilization
status of all resources of the same type held with any other RIR that are used or are available for use within the requested service region. </span></p></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">[ Waiting to see the answer to the Schiller question ]<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" lang="EN-US"><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">The organization will also supply any additional supporting </span>documentation requested by ARIN regarding the need for
the reported resources. The report must demonstrate that all resources currently available for use within the requested service region are efficiently utilized based on applicable ARIN policy.</span></p></div></div></blockquote>
If I have LACNIC resources in the LACNIC region and I am meeting the prescribed needs requirements there, but not in the ARIN region, I have to subject myself to a Section 12 audit for my LACNIC derived addresses? This doesn't sound right, or productive. <br>
</div><div class="gmail_quote"><div> <br></div><div>Best,<br><br></div><div>-M<<br><br></div></div></div></div>