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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Owen, I think you usually advocate getting it right instead of getting it fast and I would prefer to get it right on this one for sure. Maybe it would be a
good idea to solicit input now from this Community for a change in 2014-13 to a Range vs. just a /24. My two cents.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Owen DeLong [mailto:owen@delong.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 17, 2014 5:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Steven Ryerse<br>
<b>Cc:</b> John Curran; Kevin Blumberg; arin-ppml@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN 2014-13<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Member of the AC hat on (though not speaking on behalf of the AC):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If this proposal gains traction and 2014-13 is adopted, the AC and the community can make the necessary adjustments to it in light of 2014-13 if 2014-13 is adopted.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Changing 2014-13 so substantially at this time would only serve to delay its potential implementation without actually benefiting this proposal. If such a range is desired to go with this proposal, the necessary changes can be added to
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<p class="MsoNormal">AC hat off -- Speaking only as myself and a member of the community at large:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I fail to see the logic in establishing a "minimum range". A minimum is just that... A minimum. Anything larger than the minimum is not the minimum, so a minimum range is a minimum and some other numbers that happen to be larger than the
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<p class="MsoNormal">Even if 2014-13 were somehow modified and we were able to work past the lexical cognitive dissonance inherent in the idea of a "minimum range", I don't see how this proposal would work without significant modification to deal with the issue
of how a request is mapped to a particular "minimum" within the "minimum range" that applies by as yet unspecified criteria.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps if you could clarify how you see this idea of a "minimum range" working and how it could actually be implemented or what it is you hope having such a thing would provide that the existing policy and/or 2014-13 does not provide,
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<p class="MsoNormal">Owen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 13, 2014, at 10:39 , Steven Ryerse <<a href="mailto:SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com">SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Its more complicated than that. I’ve submitted the proposed policy change below to the AC. Obviously at this early stage I don’t know if the Community will
accept this or not but 2014-13 complicates this proposal. That is part of the reason why I suggested changing 2014-13 to specify a range rather than a fixed allocation. I would be fine with having this proposal included with 2014-13 if the AC though that
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">John
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, July 13, 2014 8:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Kevin Blumberg<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Steven Ryerse; </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">arin-ppml@arin.net</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN 2014-13</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 12, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Kevin Blumberg <<a href="mailto:kevinb@thewire.ca"><span style="color:purple">kevinb@thewire.ca</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In the revised section 4.2.1.5 Minimum allocation the text allows for /24 and larger prefixes, it isn’t limited to only a /24.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Correct. An updated staff assessment is forthcoming which adds the sentence:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"If implemented, staff would continue using these well established criteria and <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> guidelines for initial requests larger than /24."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">FYI,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">/John<o:p></o:p></p>
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