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Hey Cathy,<br>
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I know that ARIN was the first RIR to have transfers allowed by
policy.<br>
I also know there have been a few organizations that have returned
addresses. Even a /8 was returned not long time ago (I think just a
/16 was still used by the organization). <br>
<br>
I was just answering to the question on whether ARIN (or any other
RIR) should do more to reclaim unused addresses back. My opinion is
that time has passed.<br>
I think that now, once everyone knows there's a possible profit to
be made out of the IPs and since the policies allow transfer of
unused space, it will be very difficult to reclaim address space
(and I'm not even talking about legacy space, I'm talking about
space that was allocated by ARIN).<br>
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The RIRs have always said that even if they reclaim the unused
space, it will only increase their free pool with such amounts that
it will take with just a few weeks (maybe months) longer to reach
exhaustion.<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
elvis<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/06/14 23:47, CJ Aronson wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Elvis..
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<div>ARIN has had 8.3 transfers since 2009. We long ago
accepted that there would be a market for IP addresses. I
believe ARIN was the first RIR to have such a policy. The
link to the archive is here</div>
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href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2009_1.html">https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2009_1.html</a><br>
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<div>Soon after we worked on the listing service as well. This
policy has been used and I am sure the ARIN staff has numbers
of how many such transfers have taken place. </div>
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<div>Just because this region has historically been in favor of
justified need doesn't mean that folks haven't accepted that
there would be a market. </div>
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<div>Thanks!</div>
<div>----Cathy</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 2:39 PM,
Elvis Velea <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:elvis@velea.eu" target="_blank">elvis@velea.eu</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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On 10/06/14 22:15, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lar@mwtcorp.net" target="_blank">lar@mwtcorp.net</a>
wrote:<br>
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:11:15 +0000<br>
Steven Ryerse <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com"
target="_blank">SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Get used to it because even if this Community doesn’t
relent and ease up on needs requirements, the
marketplace will take up the slack outside of ARIN -
and a 2nd (or more) defacto marketplace will be
created. It is inevitable and short of a law being
past you and I can’t stop it. As you probably know
this is already happening with the IP brokers out
there and I could easily see another RIR who is out of
resources joining up with significant 3rd party
brokers to fill IPv4 needs at market prices worldwide.
There is another supply of IPv4 resources out there in
the form of all those Legacy /8’s that were given out
many years ago, and I suspect that demand will bring
some of those resources to market. That supply could
defer switching to IPv6 for years and not everyone
likes IPv6.<br>
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Then maybe the discussion we should be having is how to
reclaim un-needed IPV4 space.<br>
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<br>
this discussion should have happened 10 years ago. Now,
it's too late.<br>
<br>
Everyone knows that IP addresses are worth a buck or two..
The marketplace exists and at least 3 RIRs acknowledge it
and their communities have built policies for it. Would
you give them up if you would be having a (large) number
of unused IPs; IPs that may bring your organization the
money needed to invest in new equipment and skills and
migrate to IPv6 :)<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
elvis<br>
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