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<tt>Hi Cathy, McTim,</tt><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/06/14 16:10, McTim wrote:<br>
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<div>I am sure with any policy folks will try to game
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<tt>You are right, I referred to a workaround that would game the
system, but there is no actual policy requiring LIRs in the RIPE
service region to only use addresses in that region. </tt><br>
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<div>From my experience with RIPE I think the community
would not be pleased if the last of the remaining /22s
were all given to US companies for use in the US. But
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<tt>I was talking about IP addresses received through transfers and
not the last /22.</tt><br>
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<div>I went to a colleague at the RIPE NCC to get
information for this list. Your summary that anyone
can get as much address space as they want from the
RIPE NCC for 1600 Euros a year is not true</div>
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<tt>Yes it is, with the DN out the window, any RIPE member (LIR) can
receive through the transfer market as many IP addresses as they
need/want. Are you actually calling me a liar? Because that would
be quite personal and not nice coming from an ARIN AC which "</tt>
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pollination of ARIN with other RIRs as well as ARIN with other
networking groups is essential to making good address policy."</span></tt>
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It's Euro1750 and not unlimited space.<br>
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<tt>It is going to be €1600.</tt><tt><br>
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</tt><tt><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/gm/may-2014/supporting-documents/ChargingScheme2015.pdf">http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/gm/may-2014/supporting-documents/ChargingScheme2015.pdf</a></tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>And if the RIPE NCC continues to grow in membership, we may
see a further lowering of the fee next year. </tt><tt><br>
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</tt><tt><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/gm/may-2014/RIPENCCChargingScheme2015.pdf">http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/gm/may-2014/RIPENCCChargingScheme2015.pdf</a></tt><tt><br>
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</tt><tt>What do you mean by not unlimited space? An LIR can receive
a 'free' /22 from the RIPE NCC and because the demonstrated need
has been removed from the policy, anyone can receive through
transfers as many IP addresses as they need/want.</tt><br>
<tt>Actually, if 2014-05 is approved by the community, these
'unlimited' transfers will be possible to other regions as well
(off course, depending on the other region's policy).</tt><br>
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<div> and I wanted to make sure that for this discussion
that we had a more realistic assessment. If folks
want to become RIPE members and misrepresent how the
address space is going to be used that's really up to
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<tt>So my assessment is not realistic and your is?</tt><tt><br>
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</tt><tt>This is not nice, again.</tt><tt><br>
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</tt><tt>Anyway, we've moved a bit too much off-track. I think we
should go back to the needs basis in the ARIN region.</tt><tt><br>
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</tt><tt>My opinion is that for transfers, the DN should go away and
that is the only way the registry can survive. As long as ARIN
still has addresses to allocate, it should keep DN for that space
but allow transfers within and outside the region to be correctly
registered in the registry. These transfers do and will happen and
we, brokers, see attempts very often. We are trying to raise a
signal here but if the community or the ARIN Staff, AC, etc...
decides to ignore the potential problem - there's not much we can
do. We'll probably talk again in a few years :)</tt><tt><br>
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</tt><tt>cheers,</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>elvis</tt><tt><br>
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