<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Yes, David, an organization can be a bad actor and tie up excess resources without transferring them in violation of the spirit and intent of the policy.<div><br></div><div>Or, you could recognize that the intent of the policy and the reason for that policy is to make those addresses available to other entities with a more immediate need and behave in the spirit of the community.</div><div><br></div><div>We can’t make the letter of the law force all organizations to be good actors. It’s just not practical. The best we can do is provide policy that expresses the general intent of the community and hope that the majority of people and organizations are good actors.</div><div><br></div><div>So while your ability to circumvent the intent of the policy within the “letter of the law” is not in the interest of the community, compliance with the spirit and intent of the policy is, in fact good for the operator community. Of course, it is inevitably up to each organization whether to act as a good citizen of the community or not. This is true even in cases where the policy is iron clad and there are certainly no shortage of examples of bad actors throughout history.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:31 PM, David Huberman <<a href="mailto:David.Huberman@microsoft.com">David.Huberman@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">We had a discussion today at NANOG in the ARIN PPC about needs-basis in 8.3 transfers. <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I’d like to state the following, and then let’s see where the discussion takes us:<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">My team runs an AS. And yep, we’re a pretty big company. We rely on IPv4 today for most of our numbering, and will continue to do so for the next couple of years.[1] In the coming year, when we can’t get space from ARIN or other RIRs, we have to turn to the market for our IP address needs. We may choose to buy more than a 2 year supply, because it may make business sense for us to do so. ARIN policy, however, only allows us to take the IP addresses we buy and transfer the portion which represents a 2 year need. The rest will remain in the name of whoever sold the IP addresses to us.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Why is this result good for the operator community? Wouldn’t it be better if ARIN rules allowed us to transfer into our name all the IP addresses which we now own?<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Regards,<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">/david<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">[1] We’re working on increasing IPv6 presence in our network and our products, but large corporations move slowly ;)<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.</div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>