<p dir="ltr">I support this proposal.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Rudi Daniel <br>
(information technologist)<br>
784 430 9235</p>
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1. Re: Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment<br>
units to /24 (David Conrad)<br>
2. Re: Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment<br>
units to /24 (Andrew Sullivan)<br>
3. Re: NRPM 4.10 - is a /10 large enough? (David Farmer)<br>
4. Re: NRPM 4.10 - is a /10 large enough? (Skylar MacMinn)<br>
5. Re: NRPM 4.10 - is a /10 large enough? (Leslie Nobile)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 11:22:30 -0700<br>
From: David Conrad <<a href="mailto:drc@virtualized.org">drc@virtualized.org</a>><br>
To: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
Cc: Public Policy Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ppml@arin.net">ppml@arin.net</a>>, <a href="mailto:policy@arin.net">policy@arin.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum<br>
Allocation/Assignment units to /24<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:2FEB6B2D-D7F2-4371-94FE-9F7F700E24C4@virtualized.org">2FEB6B2D-D7F2-4371-94FE-9F7F700E24C4@virtualized.org</a>><br>
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Support.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
-drc<br>
<br>
On Apr 29, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Template: ARIN-POLICY-PROPOSAL-TEMPLATE-3.0<br>
><br>
> 1. Policy Proposal Name: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24<br>
> 2. Proposal Originator<br>
> a. name: Owen DeLong<br>
> b. email: <a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a><br>
> c. telephone: <a href="tel:408-890-7992" value="+14088907992">408-890-7992</a><br>
> d. organization: Hurricane Electric<br>
> 3. Date: 29 April, 2014<br>
> 4. Problem Statement:<br>
> As we approach runout, more and more end users and smaller ISPs will be unable to obtain space from their upstreams and will be seeking space from ARIN. In order to meet these needs to the extent possible and to make policy more fair to a broader range of the ARIN constituency, we should reduce the minimum assignment and allocation units to /24 across the board.<br>
> 5. Policy statement:<br>
> Change the minimum allocation and assignment unit for all IPv4 single and multi homed instances to /20. This would include:<br>
><br>
> 4.2.1.5 Change all occurrences of /20 and /22 to /24<br>
> 4.2.2.1.1 Change all occurrences of /20 to /24, and change 16 /24s to 1 /24. Remove the example about 12 /24s.<br>
> 4.3.2.1 Change both occurrences of /20 to /24<br>
> 4.9 Change /22 to /24<br>
> 4.9.1 Change all instances of /22 to /24. Remove the reference to 4 /24s.<br>
><br>
> 6. Comments:<br>
> a. Timetable for implementation: Immediate, possibly through board action.<br>
> b. Anything else<br>
><br>
> END OF TEMPLATE<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:23:55 -0400<br>
From: Andrew Sullivan <<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum<br>
Allocation/Assignment units to /24<br>
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I support this.<br>
<br>
A<br>
<br>
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:58:58AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:<br>
> Template: ARIN-POLICY-PROPOSAL-TEMPLATE-3.0<br>
><br>
> 1. Policy Proposal Name: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24<br>
> 2. Proposal Originator<br>
> a. name: Owen DeLong<br>
> b. email: <a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a><br>
> c. telephone: <a href="tel:408-890-7992" value="+14088907992">408-890-7992</a><br>
> d. organization: Hurricane Electric<br>
> 3. Date: 29 April, 2014<br>
> 4. Problem Statement:<br>
> As we approach runout, more and more end users and smaller ISPs will be unable to obtain space from their upstreams and will be seeking space from ARIN. In order to meet these needs to the extent possible and to make policy more fair to a broader range of the ARIN constituency, we should reduce the minimum assignment and allocation units to /24 across the board.<br>
> 5. Policy statement:<br>
> Change the minimum allocation and assignment unit for all IPv4 single and multi homed instances to /20. This would include:<br>
><br>
> 4.2.1.5 Change all occurrences of /20 and /22 to /24<br>
> 4.2.2.1.1 Change all occurrences of /20 to /24, and change 16 /24s to 1 /24. Remove the example about 12 /24s.<br>
> 4.3.2.1 Change both occurrences of /20 to /24<br>
> 4.9 Change /22 to /24<br>
> 4.9.1 Change all instances of /22 to /24. Remove the reference to 4 /24s.<br>
><br>
> 6. Comments:<br>
> a. Timetable for implementation: Immediate, possibly through board action.<br>
> b. Anything else<br>
><br>
> END OF TEMPLATE<br>
><br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 13:23:56 -0500<br>
From: David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu">farmer@umn.edu</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:owens@nysernet.org">owens@nysernet.org</a>, <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] NRPM 4.10 - is a /10 large enough?<br>
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If I'm not mistaken the reserved /10 for IPv6 deployment and /16 for<br>
micro-allocations is not included in the counter. Could staff confirm<br>
please.<br>
<br>
Further, there is an additional approximately /10 that will come from<br>
the IANA recovered address pool. I'm comfortable with this being<br>
reserved for special purposes, if we see fit.<br>
<br>
However, I'm not comfortable with reserving more out of the current free<br>
pool at this point. We are well past the point where making that kind<br>
of change can occur without causing potentially bad side effects. Any<br>
drastic change in what is available for normal allocations at this point<br>
is likely create a panic.<br>
<br>
We discussed this as a community, there were proposals to reserve larger<br>
chunks including the whole last /8 as RIPE and APNIC did. We chose this<br>
strategy. In some situations never is better than too late.<br>
<br>
My best advice is find your towel and DON'T PANIC!<br>
<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Panic_(The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy)#Knowing_where_one.27s_towel_is" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Panic_(The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy)#Knowing_where_one.27s_towel_is</a><br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Panic_(The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy)#Don.27t_Panic" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Panic_(The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy)#Don.27t_Panic</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
On 4/29/14, 12:54 , Bill Owens wrote:<br>
> A couple of recent threads here and my general sense of the (lack of) urgency around IPv6 deployment has made me wonder whether setting aside a /10 under NRPM 4.10 - Dedicated IPv4 block to facilitate IPv6 Deployment - is really going to be enough. I was looking at Geoff Huston's graphs (<a href="http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/" target="_blank">http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/</a>) and noticed that both RIPE and APNIC, by coincidence, will be using up the first /10 out of their reserved /8s at about the same time, near the end of this year. A naive calculation says that APNIC will go through the /10 in about 3.5 years, and RIPE in about 2.2 years. Of course it is difficult to predict how the runout of the reserved /10 under 4.10 will look, but I think it's reasonable to assume that it won't be any slower than 2-3 years, since unlike RIPE and APNIC there's no limit to how much space an entity can receive under 4.10, only the pace at which it can be handed out; assuming the maximum rate, a /22 can be issued to someone every two years,<br>
r<br>
> ather than once and done as with the other two RIRs.<br>
><br>
> Given that the inventory currently contains one /9 and one /10, we are getting close to the point where any additional set-asides will no longer be possible, so I thought it might be worthwhile at least considering whether the 4.10 pool ought to be enlarged while it still can be. . .<br>
><br>
> Bill.<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:28:50 +0000<br>
From: Skylar MacMinn <<a href="mailto:skylar@crissic.net">skylar@crissic.net</a>><br>
To: David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu">farmer@umn.edu</a>>, "<a href="mailto:owens@nysernet.org">owens@nysernet.org</a>"<br>
<<a href="mailto:owens@nysernet.org">owens@nysernet.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] NRPM 4.10 - is a /10 large enough?<br>
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I'd expect the Quick jump from 1.34 to 1.00 with the Cloudflare /12 and the Akamai /10 to have caused enough panic as is. I'd support reserving the IANA recovered address pool for that, but not current available IPv4 space.<br>
<br>
Cordially Yours,<br>
<br>
Skylar MacMinn<br>
<a href="http://www.crissic.net" target="_blank">www.crissic.net</a><br>
Crissic Solutions, LLC<br>
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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] NRPM 4.10 - is a /10 large enough?<br>
<br>
If I'm not mistaken the reserved /10 for IPv6 deployment and /16 for micro-allocations is not included in the counter. Could staff confirm please.<br>
<br>
Further, there is an additional approximately /10 that will come from the IANA recovered address pool. I'm comfortable with this being reserved for special purposes, if we see fit.<br>
<br>
However, I'm not comfortable with reserving more out of the current free pool at this point. We are well past the point where making that kind of change can occur without causing potentially bad side effects. Any drastic change in what is available for normal allocations at this point is likely create a panic.<br>
<br>
We discussed this as a community, there were proposals to reserve larger chunks including the whole last /8 as RIPE and APNIC did. We chose this strategy. In some situations never is better than too late.<br>
<br>
My best advice is find your towel and DON'T PANIC!<br>
<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Panic_(The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy)#Knowing_where_one.27s_towel_is" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Panic_(The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy)#Knowing_where_one.27s_towel_is</a><br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Panic_(The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy)#Don.27t_Panic" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Panic_(The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy)#Don.27t_Panic</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
On 4/29/14, 12:54 , Bill Owens wrote:<br>
> A couple of recent threads here and my general sense of the (lack of)<br>
> urgency around IPv6 deployment has made me wonder whether setting<br>
> aside a /10 under NRPM 4.10 - Dedicated IPv4 block to facilitate IPv6<br>
> Deployment - is really going to be enough. I was looking at Geoff<br>
> Huston's graphs (<a href="http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/" target="_blank">http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/</a>) and noticed that<br>
> both RIPE and APNIC, by coincidence, will be using up the first /10<br>
> out of their reserved /8s at about the same time, near the end of this<br>
> year. A naive calculation says that APNIC will go through the /10 in<br>
> about 3.5 years, and RIPE in about 2.2 years. Of course it is<br>
> difficult to predict how the runout of the reserved /10 under 4.10<br>
> will look, but I think it's reasonable to assume that it won't be any<br>
> slower than 2-3 years, since unlike RIPE and APNIC there's no limit to<br>
> how much space an entity can receive under 4.10, only the pace at<br>
> which it can be handed out; assuming the maximum rate, a /22 can be<br>
> issued to someone every two years,<br>
r<br>
> ather than once and done as with the other two RIRs.<br>
><br>
> Given that the inventory currently contains one /9 and one /10, we are getting close to the point where any additional set-asides will no longer be possible, so I thought it might be worthwhile at least considering whether the 4.10 pool ought to be enlarged while it still can be. . .<br>
><br>
> Bill.<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:29:16 +0000<br>
From: Leslie Nobile <<a href="mailto:leslien@arin.net">leslien@arin.net</a>><br>
To: David Farmer <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu">farmer@umn.edu</a>>, "<a href="mailto:owens@nysernet.org">owens@nysernet.org</a>"<br>
<<a href="mailto:owens@nysernet.org">owens@nysernet.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] NRPM 4.10 - is a /10 large enough?<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:CF85677C.20316%25leslien@arin.net">CF85677C.20316%leslien@arin.net</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>
<br>
To confirm, the /10 reserved for IPv6 transition and the /16 reserved for<br>
micro-allocations are not included in the daily IPv4 inventory counter on<br>
the ARIN homepage.<br>
<br>
Leslie<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 4/29/14 2:23 PM, "David Farmer" <<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu">farmer@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
>If I'm not mistaken the reserved /10 for IPv6 deployment and /16 for<br>
>micro-allocations is not included in the counter. Could staff confirm<br>
>please.<br>
><br>
>Further, there is an additional approximately /10 that will come from<br>
>the IANA recovered address pool. I'm comfortable with this being<br>
>reserved for special purposes, if we see fit.<br>
><br>
>However, I'm not comfortable with reserving more out of the current free<br>
>pool at this point. We are well past the point where making that kind<br>
>of change can occur without causing potentially bad side effects. Any<br>
>drastic change in what is available for normal allocations at this point<br>
>is likely create a panic.<br>
><br>
>We discussed this as a community, there were proposals to reserve larger<br>
>chunks including the whole last /8 as RIPE and APNIC did. We chose this<br>
>strategy. In some situations never is better than too late.<br>
><br>
>My best advice is find your towel and DON'T PANIC!<br>
><br>
><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Panic_(The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_th" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Panic_(The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_th</a><br>
>e_Galaxy)#Knowing_where_one.27s_towel_is<br>
><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Panic_(The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_th" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Panic_(The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_th</a><br>
>e_Galaxy)#Don.27t_Panic<br>
><br>
><br>
>Thanks<br>
><br>
>On 4/29/14, 12:54 , Bill Owens wrote:<br>
>> A couple of recent threads here and my general sense of the (lack of)<br>
>>urgency around IPv6 deployment has made me wonder whether setting aside<br>
>>a /10 under NRPM 4.10 - Dedicated IPv4 block to facilitate IPv6<br>
>>Deployment - is really going to be enough. I was looking at Geoff<br>
>>Huston's graphs (<a href="http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/" target="_blank">http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/</a>) and noticed that<br>
>>both RIPE and APNIC, by coincidence, will be using up the first /10 out<br>
>>of their reserved /8s at about the same time, near the end of this year.<br>
>>A naive calculation says that APNIC will go through the /10 in about 3.5<br>
>>years, and RIPE in about 2.2 years. Of course it is difficult to predict<br>
>>how the runout of the reserved /10 under 4.10 will look, but I think<br>
>>it's reasonable to assume that it won't be any slower than 2-3 years,<br>
>>since unlike RIPE and APNIC there's no limit to how much space an entity<br>
>>can receive under 4.10, only the pace at which it can be handed out;<br>
>>assuming the maximum rate, a /22 can be issued to someone every two<br>
>>years,<br>
> r<br>
>> ather than once and done as with the other two RIRs.<br>
>><br>
>> Given that the inventory currently contains one /9 and one /10, we are<br>
>>getting close to the point where any additional set-asides will no<br>
>>longer be possible, so I thought it might be worthwhile at least<br>
>>considering whether the 4.10 pool ought to be enlarged while it still<br>
>>can be. . .<br>
>><br>
>> Bill.<br>
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