<div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(35,35,35)">Hi David, </p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(35,35,35)">I disagree with you. Like your 2014-2, 2014-9 (about resolving the conflict between NRPM 8.2 and the RSA) is one of the step(or excuse) to avoid 8.2 then 8.3/8.4 transfer policy to have IPv4 transferred everywhere, which may cause the inaccurate of ARIN whois.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(35,35,35)">The unfair RIR system has already favoured those who have cashed up and this 2014-09 and 201402 will further worsen this and "the rich becomes more richer and the poor becomes more poorer" the community policy need to balance “the poorer and the richer”. Normally Speculator comes more from the “richer”. I strong suggest to keep the 8.2 unchanged and against your 2014-02. I have the evidences about some of the speculators who actively comment in this PPML.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(35,35,35)">I doubt you write this on behalf of your employer and maybe MS is plotting another big move( e.g transfer a /10 to Asia Pacific Region or out of use IPs in RIPE region or M/A some dissolved companies with plenty of unused IPv4 and would like to easy your own process of 8.2 without the utilisation rate test etc However, I am sure there must have something happening under the ground ).</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(35,35,35)">Jay</p><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 7:44 AM, David Huberman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:David.Huberman@microsoft.com" target="_blank">David.Huberman@microsoft.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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2014-9 (about resolving the conflict between NRPM 8.2 and the RSA) is the first step towards this goal.<br>
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David R Huberman<br>
Microsoft Corporation<br>
Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS)<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 7, 2014 7:37:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller<br>
<b>Cc:</b> John Curran; <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>; <a href="mailto:sandrabrown@ipv4marketgroup.com" target="_blank">sandrabrown@ipv4marketgroup.com</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Milton if someone wants "ARIN to ease it's needs assessment requirements for transfers" then there has to be a policy proposal submitted that gains community support. ARIN can't just change this without the process being followed. In the past
the policies to ease needs assessment have not gained community support but things change so who knows.
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<div>----Cathy</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Milton L Mueller <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
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> To the extent that the community feels that registry policy should be<br>
> applicable in general to the management of address blocks in the region,<br>
> then the rights afforded to address holders must definitely be a subset of<br>
> what most folks would consider "property rights." In particular, to the extent<br>
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I think the real issue is whether ARIN has any rights claims over number block holders it does not have a contract with. RIPE seems to have foregone any such claims. The sky has not fallen in Europe.<br>
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> absent any change in<br>
> direction, ARIN must hold to the position set at its establishment and its in<br>
> foundational documents that all address space in the registry is subject to<br>
> community-develop number resource policy.<br>
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Not sure I buy the assertion that these principles were in the foundational documents; why did you need to add this language later? The 'no property rights' language came very late in the day.<br>
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> > Perhaps at some point some party with more at stake, will force the<br>
> > property right issue in court,<br>
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> That actually could be quite beneficial, as would help in providing further<br>
> certainty regarding the ability of ARIN to maintain the registry per the wishes<br>
> and policies developed by the community. Parties without any agreement<br>
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I think it would be easier for everyone if ARIN would just ease its needs-assessment requirements for transfers. The whole threat of litigation could be dissipated in a week if this happened.<br>
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