<div dir="ltr">Hi David, <div><br></div><div>There is problem here. the buyer who is interested in our first /16 want us to update ARIN whois records before we sell it to the buyer. we have brought the company X and this is the reason why we ask ARIN if ARIN could do the 8.2 transfer first then followed by the 8.3 transfer next. I am afraid of providing too much confidential information to ARIN for such a 8.2 transfer and i am also afraid of the utilisation descriptions in the 8.2 policy.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Have you had any further advises?</div><div>thanks,</div><div>Niki</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 12:37 PM, xiaofan yang <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nikiyangxf@gmail.com" target="_blank">nikiyangxf@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi David, <div><br></div><div>thanks for your advise.</div><div><br></div><div>Niki</div></div><div class="HOEnZb">
<div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 11:32 AM, David Huberman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:David.Huberman@microsoft.com" target="_blank">David.Huberman@microsoft.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p>"Niki",</p>
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<p>I'm confused by the questions, because the answers seem obvious, don't they?</p>
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<p>Did you buy a company that has two /16s? Just keep company X operating as company X! Find a buyer for one /16, and have the company you bought - company X - do an 8.3 transfer to the buyer. It's not relevant to the process that your main company bought company
X - it just adds unnecessary complexity to the ARIN process. Then find a second buyer for a second /16 and repeat.</p>
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<p>I guess it's possible it's too late - that company X is already closed and all of its assets are legally owned by your main company. If that happened to me, then I would just find a buyer who wants the first /16. Then I'd submit an 8.3 transfer to sell
it to them. During the 8.3 transfer, ARIN will ask you for documentation that shows you own the company X that has the Whois registrations today. You show them the legal documentation, then you move on to the 8.3 part of the transfer. I'm not sure why you're
worried about ARIN taking back the second /16 which isn't sold yet. RSA paragraph 6 says they can't do that.</p>
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<p>N.B. I am not your lawyer, and I am not providing you with legal advice. I am not providing you advice on behalf of my employer, and I do not speak for my employer. </p>
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>> on behalf of xiaofan yang <<a href="mailto:nikiyangxf@gmail.com" target="_blank">nikiyangxf@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 4, 2014 7:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:kkargel@polartel.com" target="_blank">kkargel@polartel.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><div><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 106, Issue 8</div></font>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px">Hi Kevin, </div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px">I am quite confused by John's explanation too. </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px">It seems ARIN always provides plenty of information meaning nothing. </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px">Same happens to ask HM, HM will always reply neutrally and I still cannot know it is yes or no!</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px">However, in basis of john's reply i will rephrase his explanation as the following meaning:</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px">I will try my best to transfer the two /16 to third party via 8.3/8.4 transfer immediately after a 8.2 transfer instead of reserving one /16 for another future sale in case of the other
/16 to return to ARIN free pool or rejecting for our second /16 transfer in future. </div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px"><i>Hi John,</i></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px"><i>In basis of your reply, if the block is underutilised,ARIN will either ask the company to return the IPs or transfer to other third party via 8.3 transfer after our 8.2 transfer.</i></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px"><i>Correct.</i></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px"><i>Say we have two /16 after this 8.2 transfer, what if we only transfer one /16 to the other third party via 8.3 transfer, meanwhile, we keep the other /16 left unused after our 8.2
transfer for quiet a while. Will ARIN ask us to return the remained /16 to the free pool? furthmore, how long will ARIN allow us to keep the other /16 unused before we transfer it to the third party via 8.3 transfer ?</i></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px"><i>Niki -</i></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px"><i>ARIN will continue to work with you as needed, so long as you are still working</i></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px"><i>particular circumstances, please contact <<a href="mailto:hostmaster@arin.net" target="_blank">hostmaster@arin.net</a><<a style="color:rgb(0,106,227)" href="mailto:hostmaster@arin.net" target="_blank">mailto:hostmaster@arin.net</a>>>.</i></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:13px"><i>Thanks!</i></div>
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