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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>While I want to say I did not appreciate the violence of the original message I do agree with the sentiment. Let’s not make it easy to siphon off ARIN resources.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kevin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Darte<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 01, 2014 9:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jay Martin<br><b>Cc:</b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Subject: ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improved 8.4 Anti-Flip Language<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jay,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I appreciate that you have a view to express that is opposed to the Draft Policy. I understand that you may even be upset about it and that you believe that the motivation is contrary to the community's interest. But I think that your personalized attack on the author is unwarranted and outside both the spirit of and stated Acceptable Use Policy for the PPML.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You may find the specific rules at <a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/mailing_lists/aup.html">https://www.arin.net/participate/mailing_lists/aup.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bill Darte<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>AC Shepherd<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Jay Martin <<a href="mailto:jaymartin926@gmail.com" target="_blank">jaymartin926@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Hello community, </span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Message: 1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 21:17:58 +0000<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From: David Huberman <<a href="mailto:David.Huberman@microsoft.com" target="_blank">David.Huberman@microsoft.com</a>></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#006AE3'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>To: Bill Darte <<a href="mailto:billdarte@gmail.com" target="_blank">billdarte@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>"</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#006AE3'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>>, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#006AE3'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improved 8.4<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Anti-Flip Language<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Message-ID:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><<a href="mailto:87b03e32ad2743559958047e94c94044@DM2PR03MB398.namprd03.prod.outlook.com" target="_blank">87b03e32ad2743559958047e94c94044@DM2PR03MB398.namprd03.prod.outlook.com</a>></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#006AE3'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>As the author of this proposal, and having encountered the real-world consequences of existing 8.4 anti-flip language, I support #3 as the cleanest, simplest approach that best promotes Whois accuracy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif";color:#232323'>Can you specify what have you encountered in the real world ? which finally “inspire” you to write this proposal. I think your company is so selfish and what your cared is your own company. Keep buying ip and </span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif";color:black'>pla</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif";color:#232323'>nning to transfer them into Asia Pacific region; meanwhile drain out of the IPs from the remained Arin pool. </span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif";color:#232323'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>ARIN is a registry, not a regulator. Let's write policy that promotes accuracy in Whois, please.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'>As a member of the community, i consider that you are a hypocrite. Your so-call caring about ARIN accuracy in whois is just an excuse for you to protect your company’s benefit. </span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:18px'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'>Let me expose what your intention behind this proposal, i think the community deserve the right to see your true face. </span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'>What you want to do is to help your own company to easily transfer either the purchased ip or the old allocated ip from Arin into the Asia Pacific region; meanwhile your company is able to keep squeezing and draining the remained free pool of Arin. </span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:18px'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'>Your support of #3 will make it easy for your company to transfer ip into Asia Pacific, which will create a “the needs of Arin IP badly” image in the local ARIN region. Your purchased /13 from that bankruptcy is the justification of your company’s needs in Arin region. Now you want a policy to help your company to transfer the “old” and “ purchase” ip to Asia Pacific( you must be a good liar at making your justification to be approved by Arin), which will not affect your continuing application of big chunk block from Arin. </span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:18px'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'>The system has already been established to take care of giant baby like your company and leave the smaller organisations without chance to have their deserved ip and suffer.</span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:18px'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'>Wake up the community. Do you want this hypocrite to dry up the free pool?</span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'>I am against this proposal, it will only open the doors for some players to drain up the free pool of ARIN quickly. </span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:18px'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'>Jay</span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:16px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>David R Huberman<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Microsoft Corporation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>